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Another Airbus Rudder Problem?
Aero-News.net ^ | Mon, 07 Mar '05 | Aero-News.net

Posted on 03/08/2005 6:03:22 AM PST by jaydubya2

Another Airbus Rudder Problem? Mon, 07 Mar '05

Several Air Transat Planes Grounded After A310 Almost Lost Vertical Stabilizer Ten Air Transat aircraft were grounded Sunday after the rudder on an Airbus A310 "nearly fell off," according to the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

On Saturday, a spokesman for the airline said the aircraft, flying from Varadero, Cuba to Quebec City, developed "mechanical trouble" about 30-minutes into the flight. Pressed for particulars, the spokesman told CBC the rudder "partially fell off."

The aircraft immediately turned back to Varadero, landing normally even though part of the rudder was missing.

All 261 passengers were put up in local hotels and were eventually retrieved by another Air Transat A310.

The other nine A310s in the airline's fleet were immediately grounded and underwent two-hour long inspections wherever they were parked, according to the airline.

All of the other aircraft were back in operation by Sunday night.

Shades Of AAL 587? Although the circumstances of the rudder incident aboard Air Transat Flight 961 haven't yet come to light, the event was eerily reminiscent of the last journey of American Airlines Flight 587, an Airbus A300 headed from New York's JFK to the Dominican Republic on November 12th, 2001. Scant minutes after take-off, the flight went down in a Queens neighborhood, killing all on board. The NTSB ruled the copilot overworked the rudder pedals in an attempt to escape wake turbulence. But there were concerns about the vertical stabilizer aboard the A300 as early as 1997.

The A300 and the A310 are within the same Airbus family, according to manufacturer literature.


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: a300; a310; airbus; rudder
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1 posted on 03/08/2005 6:03:22 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2; Aeronaut

Check This out!


2 posted on 03/08/2005 6:04:43 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: Paleo Conservative; jb6

Ping!


3 posted on 03/08/2005 6:09:57 AM PST by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: jaydubya2

I wont fly in one of those heaps


4 posted on 03/08/2005 6:13:32 AM PST by blastdad51 (Proud father of an Enduring Freedom vet, and friend of a soldier lost in Afghanistan)
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To: jaydubya2

Airbus is Eurocrap. I will not board one.


5 posted on 03/08/2005 6:13:52 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: blastdad51

GMTA


6 posted on 03/08/2005 6:14:15 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: jaydubya2

I never bought that "wake turbulence" BS, perhaps more hard facts will be known SOON!!


7 posted on 03/08/2005 6:19:10 AM PST by Dad yer funny
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To: GarySpFc

I'd rather fly on Ilyushin or Tupolev planes than an A310.


8 posted on 03/08/2005 6:20:53 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: jaydubya2

Some SAC guys proved it was possible to land a big jet with vertical tail assembly completely gone when their B-52 shed the whole thing in turbulence. They shopped around for a runway without a crosswind and got down OK at Little Rock AFB. I don't remember when this happened but I do remember seeing the pictures.

Of course, they didn't have a computer that was smarter than the pilots.


9 posted on 03/08/2005 6:24:10 AM PST by 19th LA Inf
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To: Dad yer funny
I've been told that the reason the 587 tail feel off was because the copilot overused the rudder. And that inadequate training was the cause. I for one do not feel confident about a modern plane that can be brought down by an experienced pilot "overusing" the rudder.
10 posted on 03/08/2005 6:24:13 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: jaydubya2

NOTE TO SELF: Book no flights on A310.............Hell No We Won't Go!......(AIR FRANCE).......


11 posted on 03/08/2005 6:24:43 AM PST by Red Badger (The South seceded over refusal to end slavery. Blue states want to secede for the same reason......)
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To: Aeronaut

(((.)))


12 posted on 03/08/2005 6:27:37 AM PST by Squawk 8888 (End dependence on foreign oil- put a Slowpoke in your basement)
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To: 19th LA Inf

As I remember it was 1968, battle damage, and the A/C landed at Guam..It was a B-52D


13 posted on 03/08/2005 6:29:25 AM PST by lmailbvmbipfwedu
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To: jaydubya2
Took a Boeing 777 across the Atlantic. Then an A310 from Paris to Moscow. The thing shook and creak like a carnival ride. I've felt safer on my trips up in a single engine Cessna 152.

Needless to say, if it's Airbus, just don't get on it.
14 posted on 03/08/2005 6:32:05 AM PST by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: jaydubya2; Dad yer funny; GarySpFc; F15Eagle; COEXERJ145
I've been told that the reason the 587 tail feel off was because the copilot overused the rudder. And that inadequate training was the cause. I for one do not feel confident about a modern plane that can be brought down by an experienced pilot "overusing" the rudder.

But how can a pilot on an Airbus overuse the rudder? Airbusses use fly-by-wire controls that won't allow pilots to exceed the aircrafts design limits.

15 posted on 03/08/2005 6:32:30 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: jaydubya2

And they plan to carry 800 passengers on one flight.


16 posted on 03/08/2005 6:34:47 AM PST by js1138
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To: Paleo Conservative

Plastic fantastic bump!


17 posted on 03/08/2005 6:35:22 AM PST by meatloaf
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To: blastdad51

Me neither...ever since watching that crash in France and they balmed it on the pilot.


18 posted on 03/08/2005 6:42:10 AM PST by pitinkie (revenge will be sweet)
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To: jaydubya2

> I've been told that the reason the 587 tail feel
> off was because the copilot overused the rudder.

That's the official story.

Here's a dissenting site:
http://www.usread.com/flight587/FinalReport/default.html


19 posted on 03/08/2005 6:42:34 AM PST by Boundless
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To: jaydubya2
A310 mishap
20 posted on 03/08/2005 6:45:42 AM PST by rightoric
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