Posted on 03/06/2005 1:44:26 PM PST by SheLion
If you blame the business owners and not yourselves, for letting themselves go broke then stop blaming us. Stop trying to make us feel guilty for the poor bar owner. We didn't do it.
"You still have not countered the argument that everyone has to breathe, but no one has to smoke."
I go to many establishments where smoking is permitted. Seems to me that everyone breaths just fine.
Yes, the seperation seems to work just fine.
"I am for "liberty." Freedom without responsibility is not "liberty"... it is "license" according to the founding fathers. The will of the people as expressed through their elected representatives is within the bounds of "liberty" as long as there is no infringement upon the constitutions of either the individual state or the US."
So you would be all for the removal of tha additional taxes on tobacco and the rescinding of the MSA? Both of which support many things beyond the "costs" a smoker may impose on society. If the prices of tobacco were reflected accordingly, every smoker could afford his/her own health care and there would be no need for you to be affected.
How about it? Remove all the government inflation on tobacco, would you be for that liberty?
The bottom line is this.....smoking is legal and it is not impossible to make a smoke free and smoker friendly establishment. The bans have made almost everything non smoking rather than trying to accomadate both sides. I resent others taking my personal decisions away.
in other words, your selfishness has hurt a small business man.......I hope you are proud of yourself.
I am, thank you.
Open your own smoke-free place if it means so much to you an leave small business people alone.
In deed, I, now, do have my own small business. It is smoke free and that hurts it, so be it.
I'm still waiting for "smokeeasies" to open up, gangsters with tommy guns running cigarettes from abroad, and jazz music, the Packard with a running board and the works of F. Scott Fitzgerald to have a revival.
Regards, Ivan
I thought I explained that to you already.
I assume you are all for the legalisation of marijuana in public restaurants then. Can't have that pesky government telling the owners what can and cannot be smoked in their own establishment can we.
Heheh!
Yes the seperation works fine for normal folks like you and me. Unfortunately it is not good enough for the diehard antis - for them it has to be 100% smoke-free, or they loose the funding for their highly paid jobs.
There are huge economic issues behind smoking bans.......and not just for business owners. Smoker bans are not grassroots efforts, they are highly financed and sophisticated marketing strategies.
Oh don't be such an ass. Cigarettes are a legal commodity. Always has been.
I don't get into the WOD because I don't do illegal drugs, thank you!
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
If marijuana was legal I wouldn't have a problem with a private business permitting it's use on his/her premises. however, that is currently a strawman, as marijuana is not legal at the present time.
Actually cigarettes have not always been legal.......there have been periods throughout history where many forms of tobacco were illegal, including right here in the US.
Since the government imposed the ban, that hurt the business, should the government also pass legislation demanding that all residents of that jurisdiction also be required to patronize an assigned business on specific days?
It is not the smoker, nor the non-smoker, that is hurting the business person. It is the gullible politician catering to the anti-smoking lobby which is funded by tobacco taxation and fraudulent law suits.
The politicians are addicted to the money they keep making off of tobacco.<
The issue is not one of health, merely revenue. Otherwise tobacco, alcohol, saturated fat, candy bars, etc. would have either been banned long ago or simply left alone.
Ooops, meant to post that one to Ditter in response to #77.
The bottom line is this.....smoking is legal and it is not impossible to make a smoke free and smoker friendly establishment. The bans have made almost everything non smoking rather than trying to accomadate both sides. I resent others taking my personal decisions away.
It's time to speak up. The highly paid professional anti's are using our own cigarette tax dollars against us through the Tobacco Settlement Money. Smokers pay this MSA 100%. Not the government and NOT Big Tobacco but the smokers.
Instead of using the money for education and cessation programs for those who want to quit smoking and to pay for any sick uninsured smokers (should there be any), the anti's are using our tax dollars to now control, ban and restrict us.
They can't have it both ways. They spew they want a Tobacco Free Everything. If that would happen, they would all be out of jobs! Maybe we all SHOULD quit for 6 months. Put them all out of work. I'd be willing just to see this happen to them.
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