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The first shot went through his chin and out his mouth, Mr. Turchinov said. The second bullet entered his right temple.

Man, this guy had one hell of a determination. Most people who shoot themselves in the face and screw it up are usually in to much pain and shock to pull the trigger again. Then again, if you're trying to make it look like suicide and the victim squirms and the bullet misses the brain case from under the chin and goes out the mouth, the temple is the next logical "attempt".

1 posted on 03/05/2005 5:31:52 PM PST by jb6
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2 posted on 03/05/2005 5:32:39 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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bump


3 posted on 03/05/2005 5:32:43 PM PST by jb6 (Truth == Christ)
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Kuchma's cronies are getting suicided left and right. They were counting on Yanukovych's victory so they could keep the evidence of their crimes buried. Too bad for them.


4 posted on 03/05/2005 5:36:57 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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"suicide by double-tap to the melon"

this merits a Just Damn, yes?


6 posted on 03/05/2005 5:40:58 PM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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ping


7 posted on 03/05/2005 5:44:11 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: jb6

1 shot will usually definitely get you out of the notion of #2.


13 posted on 03/05/2005 5:59:33 PM PST by Waco
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I wonder if he dropped the dime on himself, too?


14 posted on 03/05/2005 5:59:38 PM PST by Migraine
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The guy must have had some Clinton folks lend their technical expertise in suicide.
"Yes comrade. It looks like he shot himself twice in the head, moved his own body ten miles to the east, and then cleaned up the blood."
18 posted on 03/05/2005 6:06:37 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland
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Everyone would have easily believed the suicide verdict had Hillary's chief of staff not been seen running out of the office with a bunch papers hapharzardly stuffed inside a briefcase.


19 posted on 03/05/2005 6:13:41 PM PST by Tall_Texan (If you can think 180-degrees apart from reality, you might be a Democrat.)
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It is not impossible to shoot oneself in the head twice. A book I read by a forensic anthopologist discussed a case in which a lawyer shot himself five times in the head inside his locked office. He was still (barely) alive when the police broke in.


20 posted on 03/05/2005 6:20:16 PM PST by wideminded
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Ping.


21 posted on 03/05/2005 6:36:10 PM PST by bd476
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Ukraine's Security Chief Says Ex-Official Killed Himself
(shot twice in the head)


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22 posted on 03/05/2005 6:55:29 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (There is only one GOOD 'RAT: one that has been voted OUT of POWER !! Straight ticket GOP!)
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To: jb6
No different than if he'd:

Run himself over with a speeding car
Stabbed himself 26 times with a knife
Slowly poisoned himself over 3 months
Killed himself with an axe
Went for a stroll in Ft. Marcy park

23 posted on 03/05/2005 6:56:50 PM PST by SquirrelKing (I see you're drinking one percent. Is that because you think you're fat?)
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If I recall correct in the 1950s, Billie Sol Estes (One of LBJ's running buddies) was involved with a fella that killed himself by shooting himself in the chest five times with a bold action rifle.

Now, In West Texas of those days, they had some leather tough suicides...


40 posted on 03/06/2005 12:40:30 AM PST by sonofatpatcher2 (Texas, Love & a .45-- What more could you want, campers? };^)
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Thanks for posting this article my dear Russian friend.


42 posted on 03/06/2005 1:22:10 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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43 posted on 03/06/2005 1:25:52 AM PST by Grzegorz 246
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The chief of Ukraine's security service said Saturday that the country's former interior minister, Yuri F. Kravchenko, had shot himself twice in the head on Friday, refuting speculation that he had been killed by someone else.

Yep. That sure refutes it for me. Lots of people commit suicide by multiple head-shots.

48 posted on 03/06/2005 6:06:19 AM PST by Lazamataz (Proudly Posting Without Reading the Article Since 1999!)
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The first shot went through his chin and out his mouth, Mr. Turchinov said. The second bullet entered his right temple.

Man, this guy had one hell of a determination. Most people who shoot themselves in the face and screw it up are usually in to much pain and shock to pull the trigger again.

When I was taking my Emergency Medical Technician classes, way back around 1970, we had a slide show of autopsy photos presented by the NY City medical examiner. There was the excised trachea with the whole hot dog lodged in it and a few others like that. Then he showed us a photo of a man's shaved head with 9 bullet holes in it.

He asked us "was this murder or suicide."

I immediately raised my hand and stated confidently "suicide." I reasoned that if it wasn't suicide then there's no logical purpose for even asking the question. Sure enough, I was right.

The guy had a small caliber handgun and fired into his head 4 times, flinching each time. For those first 4 shots there was an entry wound then a track under the scalp but above the skull (creasing it each time) and an exit wound, thus the first 8 bullet holes. Then he put the gun in the middle of his forehead and ended up with one more entry wound.

He died.

I agree it's unlikely in this case, but not impossible.

Now, a gruesome, but funny, cartoon from many years ago has police standing around in a commercial kitchen. There's a hand meat grinder with a pile of ground meat coming out the front, and an arm sticking out of the top feeder chute leading down to the hand crank.

One cop says to the other "That's the most determined suicide I've ever seen!"

51 posted on 03/06/2005 7:02:55 AM PST by Phsstpok ("When you don't know where you are, but you don't care, you're not lost, you're exploring.")
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My thoughts as well, how the hell do you commit suicide, twice! Sounds like he had a little help.
70 posted on 03/06/2005 3:08:00 PM PST by rodguy911 (rodguy911:First Let's get rid of the UN and the ACLU,..toss in CAIR as well.)
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