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Neighbor, other man charged in slaying of Jersey City family
PhillyBurbs ^

Posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:06 PM PST by Selkie

By WAYNE PARRY The Associated Press

JERSEY CITY, N.J. - The upstairs neighbor of an Egyptian Christian family found slain in their home in January was charged Friday, along with another man, in the murders.

Edward McDonald, 25, who rented a second-floor apartment above Hossam Armanious and his family, pleaded not guilty to four counts of felony murder. Hamilton Sanchez, 30, faces the same charges and also pleaded not guilty.

Sanchez during a court hearing began crying as he stood before a judge, his hands cuffed behind his back.

"I didn't kill nobody. I didn't kill nobody, man. I didn't kill nobody, people," Sanchez said, as he was led from the courtroom. McDonald stared at the floor during the hearing.

Both men, who were on parole for different drug offenses, were ordered held on $10 million cash bail.

Authorities said Armanious, 47; his wife, Amal Garas, 37, and their children - Sylvia, 15, and Monica, 8 - were slain three days before their bodies were found Jan. 14.

(Excerpt) Read more at phillyburbs.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 911; armanious; copticchristian; cryingwolf; filthysanchez; hossamarmanious; islam; jerseycity; murder; muslim; robbery
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To: Selkie; RS

"but if you review the posts, it shows that the search for the truth was a secondary consideration - the opportunity to spread hatred and distrust was not to be missed.
Many posts did not even bother to reference the subject of the thread - they were simply reposts of anti-muslim pictures and slogans, looking very much like those used to rouse anti-American feelings and get the unwashed out to march in the streets"

RS is correct...."Many posts did not even bother to reference the subject of the thread....."
Your argument of "Anyone who expressed anger that Muslims may have murdered a family...." doesn't work for those posts.

Yes, "it was highly plausible to ascertain that Islamists might be culpable." MIGHT BE. But "might be" wasn't the attitude taken by many. That's the point.


141 posted on 03/05/2005 2:48:21 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

Taking fragments of my posts to suit your stance is underhanded.

Buh bye


142 posted on 03/05/2005 3:14:50 PM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie

Well, there were plenty of nouns in the sentence, but since you evidently believe each sentence requires a separate line, let me give you a separate line for each of several clauses to see if you can read it....

Since you really NEED a conspiracy theory, how about the much more likely one that the lowlife who lived upstairs from these outspoken folks might have:
-known they were Christian,
-known they had received threats,
-known that many people are quick to jump to conclusions and make wild assumptions, and
-known that the family would recognize him and open the door without need for forced entry, etc.?

Of course I just mispunctuated it by using the colon/hyphens that way, but if you can't read correct English, what am I to do?

>Apparently you are saying that the upstairs tenant
>McDonald was clever enough to assume that the robbery
>would be pinned on Muslims ?

I'm just offering something more plausible than the "we just wandered through and happened to find a wallet with an ATM card, and a PIN, and then came up with a story as to how WE were the ones who committed a murder, and then separately corroborated the story so we would be sure the police couldn't claim we just wandered in on things" story, if you absolutely must go with something more complex than "these druggies killed them" for the money.


143 posted on 03/05/2005 3:18:54 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Coleus

No... the love of money is the root of all evil.


144 posted on 03/05/2005 3:20:17 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Selkie

lol


145 posted on 03/05/2005 3:21:08 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: Fred Nerks

Uh, that was the point. If everyone keeps blaming Muslims for everything when it's not them, who will listen to the real threat?


146 posted on 03/05/2005 3:23:33 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Selkie
Taking fragments of my posts to suit your stance is underhanded.

No, it's called "proper netiquette"...since nothing was taken out of context or modified in an underhanded manner!

Buh bye

I suppose I have to slap every scrap of your post on a reply or you'll accuse me, too, of being of underhanded, eh? You really need some more tinfoil.

147 posted on 03/05/2005 3:26:41 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Gondring

lol
Hey, don't quote me and use it against me. lol


148 posted on 03/05/2005 3:31:59 PM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: nuconvert

lol

oops...wait...that should be:

"lol" --nuconvert


149 posted on 03/05/2005 3:38:23 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Gondring

And now you'll have to tell me just what 'the real threat' IS!


150 posted on 03/05/2005 3:45:43 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Gondring

No... the love of money is the root of all evil. >>

You're right.


151 posted on 03/05/2005 4:28:11 PM PST by Coleus (Roe v. Wade and Endangered Species Act both passed in 1973, Murder Babies/save trees, birds, algae)
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To: Fred Nerks

Militant Muslims
Fear
Sleeper cells
Disunity
Knee-jerk reactionaries (note...nothing against reactionaries, per se...just talking about those who weaken us)
Ignorance
Culture creep
Bigotry
Et cetera

But I think you know this. :-)


152 posted on 03/05/2005 5:58:08 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Gondring; jan in Colorado

It's the Et cetera's that bother me...Fear! That's the one. Anyone who is not at least a little afraid must be comatose.


153 posted on 03/05/2005 6:10:02 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Fred Nerks

Yes, but we must manage fear, not let it manage us.


154 posted on 03/05/2005 7:10:05 PM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Gondring

I'll go along with that...


155 posted on 03/05/2005 7:15:00 PM PST by Fred Nerks (Understand Evil: Read THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD. Link on my Page. free pdf.)
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To: Selkie; nuconvert; Gondring; jan in Colorado
"If the motive was simple robbery, what are we to believe about all this?"

You bring up a very interesting point...

"That a Copt invented the story of the death threat, and that other Copts invented the story of the conversion and revenge plot?"

Possibly - OR the ones that reported that they were told these stories by Copts made them up, or didn't check them out.

"That it was just coincidental that a couple of lowlifes happened to murder this family in the same manner in which Muslims murder blasphemers and other enemies of Islam?"

Possibly - OR the stories of the details which did NOT come from official sources were false or exaggerated.

So either the "facts" regarding the muslim connection in this case were made up, or there is a massive conspiracy on the part of the NJ police to cover up the "truth" [49:6] O you who believe, if a wicked person brings any news to you, you shall first investigate, lest you commit injustice towards some people, out of ignorance, then become sorry and remorseful for what you have done.
156 posted on 03/06/2005 7:36:43 AM PST by RS (just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: TomGuy

Yeah, I always kill the people who live just below me. That way no one ever suspects me. It's great for deflection suspicion...................huh? I never underestimate the stupidity of some people (just watch the Springer Show) but a ritual killing of these people doesn't make any sense. If you wanted to rob the place, just wait until you knew the entire family was out. Like they didn't figure the police would question them as ex-cons????????????????????????? I smell a smell. A smelly smell that smells smelly, and it ain't anchovies!!!!!!


157 posted on 03/06/2005 7:49:19 AM PST by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

One has to make the assumption that they tortured the card holder to reveal the pin code otherwise the ATM is useless. Could be, but brutally knifing 4 people takes a lot of intestinal fortitude. Knifing sends a message. Guns are much more efficient, unless noise was a problem.
Very weird


158 posted on 03/06/2005 7:54:05 AM PST by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: RS

Hey, don't you know that quoting someone "to suit your stance is underhanded."?
Knock that off.


159 posted on 03/06/2005 7:54:25 AM PST by nuconvert (No More Axis of Evil by Christmas ! TLR)
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To: Doc Savage

"Yeah, I always kill the people who live just below me. That way no one ever suspects me. It's great for deflection suspicion..................."

Do you always steal the debit cards from the dead people you find downstairs ?

... or did the cops fake the video tapes, and somehow get the bank techs to go along with it ?


160 posted on 03/06/2005 7:57:47 AM PST by RS (just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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