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Neighbor, other man charged in slaying of Jersey City family
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Posted on 03/04/2005 2:14:06 PM PST by Selkie

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To: Gondring

"Hamilton Sanchez, 30, faces the same charges ...."

Sanchez ???
Here we go again, now everyone will be illegal immigrant bashing instead ...


101 posted on 03/05/2005 9:50:01 AM PST by RS (just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: bvw

Sure. Ri-i-ight. Every $25K a year cop has uncanny abilities you've never dreamed of. I've been to parties some of the Jersey City cops were at -- that unacnny ability must include drinking copious amounts of beer and shots.>>>>

Yep that pretty much sums it up.
Today is Hoboken's early St. Patrick's Day Parade/Drinkathon.
And Im sure just like last year, J.C. cops will be joining in fracas and acting like loons.


102 posted on 03/05/2005 9:50:17 AM PST by Selkie
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To: Selkie
Yep.

I'd like to be clear for my own account though -- Cops have good days and bad days, they are no supermen. There are good ones who drink heavy and bad ones who are teetotlars. Nor does the money make much of a difference to being bad or good.

103 posted on 03/05/2005 9:56:09 AM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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To: bvw

You think those are what makes GOOD cops?!? You have a very screwed up definition of a "good cop"...


104 posted on 03/05/2005 10:03:24 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Selkie

"Wondering" is one thing.

What we saw was another.


105 posted on 03/05/2005 10:04:56 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Selkie; Gondring

"Excuse you, but the murdered family had had death threats from Muslims online.
It was not too far a jump to wonder if Muslims had done it."

This was not merely "wondering" ... This gave many a chance to spew their venom and trumpet their hatred.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1322511/posts

This line from here http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1328747/posts is most telling -

" I can almost hear the hand-wringing pundits fretting about this undeserved, unwarranted backlash against innocent Muslims."

In this particular case it appears that it WAS undeserved and unwarranted.


106 posted on 03/05/2005 10:10:11 AM PST by RS (just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: Selkie
Did the alledged killers actually cover the peehole so Mrs. Armanious couldnt look outside before opening the door ?

McDonald had rented the second-floor apartment.

I also doubt the hole was used for what you say. ;-)

107 posted on 03/05/2005 10:11:09 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: RS
In this particular case it appears that it WAS undeserved and unwarranted.

...and entirely understandable, considering the information we were given from the Coptic community and the victim's relationship with Muslims.

108 posted on 03/05/2005 10:14:35 AM PST by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)
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In this particular case it appears that it WAS undeserved and unwarranted.

Sorry...but innocence is no defence on FR. Check out Number 18, above: However, and I guess you all knew this was coming, islam can't accuse anyone of bigotry as the result of speculation that the crime may have been 'religiously' motivated. Their numerous threats based upon the koranic requirement that all infidels should die or don't deserve to live, is what pointed the finger straight at them. Not us.

Of course, Fred Nerks is defending "speculation"... which is not relevant to the more hateful comments that have been, and still are being, made.

109 posted on 03/05/2005 10:17:04 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Wormwood
...and entirely understandable, considering the information we were given from the Coptic community and the victim's relationship with Muslims.

Yes, lots of misinformation was provided by the "Coptic community" and I can understand the tendency to mistrust them. But not all Copts are liars...so we must look at individuals and actions, not groups and beliefs.

110 posted on 03/05/2005 10:18:48 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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To: Gondring

Was McDonald in prison before?


111 posted on 03/05/2005 10:23:09 AM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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I'm glad you cleared that up. My brother was an undercover narcotics detective who had gained letters from community leaders (even an anti-police group one, who wrote to the chief to say that an interaction with my brother had caused her to rethink her positions), citations, and recognition...and he left it all to move to another department near his new bride's parents...and had to start again at the academy and $25k/year. There are many good officers out there who sacrifice a lot to serve their communities.

And note that I wrote of "good cops" having that ability...not every one.

112 posted on 03/05/2005 10:25:04 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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"Lots of misinformation"

And that was different than any major public crime how? There are always off-the-wall rumors and speculations. The speculations in this case had (and still have) a number of very legitmate causes.

What town was the blind sheik and his cell from, by the way? The ones who first attacked the Twin Towers?

113 posted on 03/05/2005 10:26:53 AM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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To: Gondring
"It's time for islam to do a little house-cleaning in the West and remove the clerics who preach 'death to the infidel' and stop telling their followers that everyone other than a muslim is a dirty kuffar."

That's what Nerks was talking about. A legit complaint too.

114 posted on 03/05/2005 10:30:03 AM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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To: Selkie

BTTT


115 posted on 03/05/2005 10:32:23 AM PST by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: bvw

Both of the accused are on parole, I believe.


116 posted on 03/05/2005 10:35:53 AM PST by Gondring (They can have my Bill of Rights when they pry it from my cold, dead hands!)
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"...and entirely understandable, considering the information we were given from the Coptic community and the victim's relationship with Muslims."

Wondering, speculation, suspicion, sure - but if you review the posts, it shows that the search for the truth was a secondary consideration - the opportunity to spread hatred and distrust was not to be missed.
Many posts did not even bother to reference the subject of the thread - they were simply reposts of anti-muslim pictures and slogans, looking very much like those used to rouse anti-American feelings and get the unwashed out to march in the streets.


117 posted on 03/05/2005 10:40:59 AM PST by RS (just because they are out to get him doesn't mean he's not guilty)
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To: Gondring

And in prisons there are prison muslims. When else would expalin a McDonald paired with a Sanchez? Drugs, yes, in a deal -- but as a team?


118 posted on 03/05/2005 10:41:09 AM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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To: RS

Where and when has the Muslim Community made an energetic public sustained effort to lament and disclaim the violence committe in the name of Muslims?


119 posted on 03/05/2005 10:43:23 AM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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To: bvw

"committed"


120 posted on 03/05/2005 10:43:59 AM PST by bvw (Team USA!)
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