Posted on 03/03/2005 9:24:10 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
A judge released the DCF document seeking intervention in the Terri Schiavo case. She's the brain-damaged woman at the center of a "right to die" battle.
The department of children and families document names Michael Schiavo as responsible for the mistreatment of his wife. The nine complaints cited are very technical. They essentially claim the abuse or neglect of Terri is in the form of the kind of medical treatment Terri is, or in some cases is not receiving.
The complaint accuses Michael Schiavo of: 1. Failure to educate using certain therapies in violation of guardianship 2. Experimental procedures performed without proper medical and legal procedures observed. 3. Lack of manipulation of the ward's (Terri’s) arms causing severe contractures
Circuit judge George Greer says he will make the document available to the public tomorrow. Greer ordered Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be removed March 18th.
These alleged "wishes" were not made known until after he told a jury he needed the award money to take care of her for the rest of her life. Does this not strike you as odd?
But a persistant vegetative state will take care of things naturally without outide interferance and death will come naturally
Well, to HINO, it apparently hasn't come soon enough. He's gonna speed it a long by starving her to death. (btw - your logic is faulty in that last statement - it will take care of itself, yet you support its "artificial" fast-forward by removing the tube.)
but artificial life is not natural life
I recently lost a friend with Lou Gherig's disease - he required a feeding tube near the end because he could no longer swallow (artificial life, according to you.) Death is inevitable *anyway*, but do you think it would have been OK to just let him die faster with no sustainance?
Michael has to make a painful decision and people are going to have to live with it.
Michael is making a decision based on convenience, possibly cover-up, some odd Catholic rule his new squeeze insists on abiding by (Oh, let's MURDER the existing wife so we can be married in the Catholic Church...this isn't a Catholic Bash, really...) to have a "proper" wedding mass because Michael can't be divorced, as well as a money trail.
And no, people are not going to live with it.
"I recently lost a friend with Lou Gherig's disease - he required a feeding tube near the end because he could no longer swallow"
I am sorry for your loss.
But s(he) was capable of making the decision and could carry on other functions, knowing what the end would be. If Terri does not consent to treatment then it is considered assult. In lieu of her consent Michael was granted guardianship and if he claims she wouldn't want to "survive" under these circumstances, then he considers heroic medical care an intrusion and a assult on Terri. And rightfully so.
My earlier point is that a feeding tube is NOT heroic. It's S.O.P. for people who have difficulty swallowing. I'll add my grandmother who suffered with Parkinson's to that list, also. It's how they got FOOD. Not air, not beating hearts, not circulating blood and fully operational organs (excluding Terri's brain function in which the jury is still out.) But simple food.
Regardless of whether or not one can make a conscious decision, a FEEDING TUBE is not heroic, it is not artificial.
Terri is not dying. She just needs help feeding herself. Just like my grandmother, just like my friend Dave, and come to think of it, darn, my kids, too, when they were babies.
Sing his mercy and his grace,
In the mansions bright & blessed, He'll prepare for us a place.
When we all get to heaven,
What a day of rejoicing that will be,
When we all see Jesus,
We'll sing and shout the victory!
Of COURSE!!!! If I had of hummed through that line, I would have recognized it sooner than later!......a hymn sung probably twice a month or more at church when we were kids.......years back.
I've not met the woman, and I think that it's rather presumptuous and rude to address this woman by her first name in such a situation.
husband, has been in a adulterous affair
This is a great example of an ex post facto argument...things that occurred after Mr. Schiavo was first being blocked cannot be used as evidence as to why he should have been blocked.
I know that if my spouse were still fighting to help me get my end wishes fulfilled, against an army of selfish obstructionists, I'd be honored that she kept my name, whether she moved on with her life or not!
Read through FR some more. Lots of people don't like to let on to it, but if you back them into a corner and keep asking, they admit they'd be trying to block Mr. Schiavo's actions even if they knew they were what Mrs. Schiavo would want.
If Mr. Schiavo believed Mrs. Schiavo would improve with the therapies being tried early on, then it wouldn't have fit with Mrs. Schiavo's desires to have her nut/hyd withheld atthat point. Once the therapies failed and the evidence showed how bad off Mrs. Schiavo was, then Mr. Schiavo could have then accepted the current plan of action.
What do you feel about the coelic musings?
That's my take on it too. He's washing his hands of the whole thing.
Prior to those things, a mockery of marriage was made when they denied the Schiavos' rights.
Ignoring the rights of those who cannot carry out their own desires is certainly nothing to crow about.
Neither is criticizing someone, calling him ignorant, yet not offering any evidence of your own statements.
You mean someone's been abusing Michael all these years? Yeah, the poor guy's been shattered! How awful that he lives in a $400,000 home and gets to go out in the fresh air any time he wants! Terri has really given him the shaft!
Michael is going to have a "very" good sleep tonight!!!
The document that was released makes reference to an 'enclosure' which details the specific allegations of abuse. I think it is that enclosure which Greer is planning to release tomorrow.
Is he thinking in impeachment terms???
Are you aware that Terri was talking about a divorce the very night she had this " accident"?? This was by any stretch of the imagination a healthy marriage!!!........and I find it very appropriate to refer to her as Terri Schiavo.
Why do you believe that it was or is her wish to die?. A husband who murders his wife could say that it was her wish to die. Death by starvation is not peaceful. We do not allow people to starve animals. They can be put to death, but not starved.
Just because Michael is her husband does not mean that he is telling the truth about her wishes. NO LIVING WILL was made. Anyone who is so determined to terminate a persons life should be looked at carefully.
Also a decent man would have allowed her priest to visit, better medical care, her parents to visit her. Also a decent man would not have a illicit relationship with another woman and have bastards by her. A decent man would make sure his children are legitimate. He could have gotten a divorce or annulment under the circumstances. He chose to have children that are bastards and have the courts terminate his wife.
Michaels actions does not show he is a decent man. His credibility has been questioned and correctly too. Also how can a Catholic in good faith ask for termination. If she was on a respirator and in a irreversible coma, I could understand taking off the respirator. But Terri is awake and somewhat aware, breathes on her own. She just can't swallow.
Many paralyzed people are in similar situations where ther need help to eat and breath. I dont't think brain damaged people should be terminated. There are a lot of retarded people that could be considered not worth keeping alive.
Husbands perogatives are not absolute and certainly his wish to have her dead can be questioned.
A feeding tube is not artificial life support. Why do her persist in thinking because a person needs a feeding tube that this is artificial and grounds to have that person terminated?
A husband certainly should not have sole rights to determine if his wife lives or dies. A wife is not a posession or property.
Your attitude makes a good reason for women not to marry, if their husbands have the right to kill them.
If you had read prevoius threads, many people have offered to pay for her care. So now we should terminate people because it would be expensive to care for them?
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