Posted on 03/02/2005 9:18:49 PM PST by hope
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This country's entire attitude toward majority (chronological, not political) and adulthood is completely out of whack. To your example I could add that in most states, the 19 year old boy who engages in consensual sex with the 15 year old girl rots in jail while the girl runs scot-free. Please don't anyone try to tell me that 15 year old girls in general are any more unaware of or unprepared for the consequences of their actions than is the 19 year old boy. We can also add the ridiculous fact that we'll send an 18 year old to fight and die in Iraq, but we won't let them have a beer when they get home.
My preference would be to adopt the Hebrew model: Majority is reached at age 13. Emancipation, however, occurs at the will of the parent. I also think that as long as lawyers have decided to nose their way into internal family matters that we should formalize emancipation. But that is another topic entirely.
As to the remainder of your response, I couldn't agree more, but I have to ask, will anything come of this? I read a lot of righteous indignation in conservative circles, but I hear no hue and cry among the general public. We know our elected officials are far too cowardly to move on their own and the populace has been generally apathetic on this kind of subject.
Right now this remains a legal abstraction to Joe Sixpack. Until an attempt is made by a mainstream outlet to couch it in terms that those who didn't pay attention in Civics class will understand, I don't see much of anything happening to change the ruling or the arrogance of the court.
"Since the justices maintain the practice of never consulting for the meaning of the Constitution the framers who actually wrote it,..."
I don't want a Second Amendment case anywhere near this court.
Good question. The Constitutional Separation of Powers does not grant legislative (ruling) authority to the judiciary; they have usurped the role of the legislative branch - in that they are guilty of tyranny.
I don't want a Second Amendment case anywhere near this court.
I'll go you one better
I don't want anyone ON this court that isn't forced by Law TO consult the Framers and forced by law TO render Judgements according to what the Framers Wrote.
These people are like children who need to be carefully watched and taken to the wood shed for a severe paddling when they screw up.
A chilling prospect, indeed. This court has made a mockery of the Constitution; the damage could be severe. The Rule of Law works because the great majority of citizens want it to work. When the courts decide that they and only they have the authority to decide law, then respect for the law in general declines. An oligarchy of black robed vultures will not work in America for very long. How far things will go and how fast and what ramifications this will have are unknown; but the very real possibility of chaos and anarchy are not to be dismissed. I do not want a Second Amendment case anywhere near this court.
That is plainly not true. No legislative body in our Constitutional Republic has unlimited powers to legislate merely because they swore an oath. Legislation can't exceed the limits of power of the legislating body or contravene the plain meaning of the constitution. The Supreme Court plays a vital role maintaining limited powers and the separation of powers. That they have simply failed shows a weakness, not in the system, but in the representatives we have chosen.
We have been in this oligarchy for some time. Its called the US Senate, a place in which once elected, its highly unlikely (except for rare instances) that a Senator can be dis-elected. This body gives the citizenry the illusion that it is still in power through the vote; but it is more true that powerful money interests keep guys like Fat Teddy in his Senate seat - forever.
The other truth is that there is no longer any real Separation of Powers (if there ever was) - the three branches act in concert - to do whatever the hell they wish - with no possible consequences. A law may be unconstitutional, null and void - but they can still lock one up and throw away the key. Tyranny has arrived in the United States. Now, what the hell are we going to do about it??
>>Ignorance (and apathy) is killing this country.<<
Too many people feel as if they can't do anything to correct the destination we are heading for.
Being concerned isn't enough. getting out and telling your neighbors what you are seeing, getting them involved is a must.
"It is obviously illegitimate for this Court, or any court, to cite public opinion or emerging public consensus as the basis for rulings, when the public has a legitimate and fully functioning mechanism (electing representatives) for expressing such opinions and forming such consensus"
I agree, and what makes it even more ridiculous is the apparently small, elite circles to which the Court looks to get this "emerging public consensus." Either that, or the importance of public opinion is limited to the cases where it might be said to reflect a left of center viewpoint. I mean, does anyone think that Souter, Stephens, Ginberg, et al, will consider the overwhelming public opposision to gay marriage/civil unions when that matter finally reaches the high court?
Alexander Hamilton published his first patriotic pamphlet, "The Farmer Refuted," in 1774 at the age of 17.
Impeachment, nullification, interposition, and the use of Article III, Sec. 2 of the Constitution all need to be considered.
We need to hold these officials accountable through impeachment, recall, nullification, interposition and arrest where necessary.
I am so seek of this endless deference to judicial tyranny. The nebulous references to "growing national consensus" and citations of "international law" are just too much to countenance. What does it take to make 5 of these justices cognizant of the fact that their authority to preside originates in the US CONSTITUTION?
When oh when will some elected executive officer in some state or federal capacity, in fulfilling his constitutional duty to honestly interpet the constitution (federal or state) just disregard the unconstitutional rulings of any court and dare the legislature to impeach him for it? When will some legislature impeach just ONE judge for an unconstitutional ruling?
To say that the courts have the final word on the constitutionality of a law NO MATTER WHAT THEY RULE is to say that the system of checks and balances envisioned by the founders does not exist any more.
Alan Keyes gave the best summation of this issue that I've heard yet. He said that every branch of government has a duty to honestly interpret the constitution. If the president honestly feels the courts make an unconstitutional and lawless ruling, then the president should disregard that ruling and refuse to enforce the provisions that he felt were blatantly unconstitutional. If the Congress felt the president was wrong in this decision, then it was their duty to impeach him for it. If the electorate felt that the Congress was wrong for impeaching the president or the failure to impeach him, they can remove them at the next election, as well as the president for any presidential actions that they considered wrongful. Congress can and should impeach federal judges for blatently unconstitutional rulings that manufacture law.
Lest anyone consider this formula has a recipe for chaos, then I submit to you there is no chaos worse than an unchecked oligarchic Judiciary. We are not living under the rule of law when judges make law up to suit their whims has they engage in objective based adjudication.
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Back Row (left to right): Ginsburg, Souter, Thomas, Breyer
Front Row (left to right): Scalia, Stevens, Rehnquist, O'Connor, Kennedy
sovereignty
Variant(s): also sovranty /-tE/
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -ties
Etymology: Middle English soverainte, from Middle French soveraineté, from Old French, from soverain
Date: 14th century
1 obsolete : supreme excellence or an example of it
2 a : supreme power especially over a body politic b : freedom from external control : AUTONOMY c : controlling influence
3 : one that is SOVEREIGN; especially : an autonomous state
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