Posted on 03/02/2005 9:38:45 AM PST by Happy2BMe
Bill would deny U.S. citizenship to children of illegal immigrants
A bill recently introduced in Congress would deny U.S. citizenship to children born to illegal immigrants. Supporters said the bill, called the Citizenship Reform Act of 2005, would be a good way to control the number of people who have the right to claim citizenship ---- and the rights and benefits that come with it. Opponents said the measure was "extreme" and would be likely to face constitutional challenges.
An estimated 200,000 to 300,000 children are born to illegal immigrants in the United States each year, according to the Center for Immigration Studies, a policy and research group that advocates for stricter immigration controls.
The Federation for American Immigration Reform, a group that also supports stricter policies, estimated that California spends about $7.7 billion each year to educate about 1 million children of illegal immigrants.
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"Citizenship means you have some stake in this country; it's not just an accident of geography," said Ira Mehlman, a spokesman of the federation, which supports the measure.
However, immigrant-rights groups say that citizenship is a fundamental right that cannot be taken away by Congress.
"Citizenship belongs to a person wherever they are born," said Katherine Cullion, an attorney with the Mexican American Legal Defense Fund, a Latino rights group. "The most basic, fundamental right is the right to citizenship in the country where you were born."
Advocates for and against the measure, which has surfaced in various forms before, said the bill is unlikely to go far in Congress. The bill is now in the House Judiciary Committee. No hearing on the bill has been scheduled.
"This is really a perennial bill; it comes up each spring," said Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, an immigrant-rights advocacy group based in Washington, D.C. "It gets a handful of co-sponsors and never sees the light of day."
If enacted, the bill would stipulate that children born in the United States would be considered American citizens only if born to parents who are citizens or legal residents living in the country. Under current law, any children born in the country can claim American citizenship.
The bill was introduced last month by Georgia Republican Rep. Nathan Deal and was co-sponsored by 16 other representatives, including Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Huntington Beach; Rep. Gary Miller, R-Diamond Bar; and Tom Tancredo, R-Colorado.
Anti-illegal immigrant groups, such as the Federation for American Immigration Reform, say immigration, legal and illegal, is largely responsible for a population explosion that could lead to unprecedented social, economic and environmental problems.
"Massive population growth has and will continue to have a profound impact on the lives of all Americans," said Dan Stein, president of the federation. The group released a study this week that indicated more than half of the nation's population growth over the last 35 years is due to immigration.
However, Steven Camarota, the Center for Immigration Studies' director of research, said the citizenship bill itself will not solve the nation's illegal immigration problem. Without immigration enforcement elsewhere, such as at the border and at work sites, denying citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants would only make the number of illegal immigrants grow.
"By itself, it doesn't move the ball forward very much, if at all," Camarota said.
You said you were leaving being a conservative. Where are you going then if not to the liberals?
Present U.S. anchor baby "policy" is an abuse of the 14th Amendment. This amendment was ratified in 1868 to protect the civil rights of native-born black Americans, who had recently been freed from slavery and whose rights were being denied. The amendment states that "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...." The clear, original intent of the 14th Amendment was spelled out in 1866 by Senator Jacob Howard, co-author of its citizenship clause, who wrote "Every person born within the limits of the United States, and subject to their jurisdiction, is by virtue of natural law and national law a citizen of the United States. This will not, of course, include persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers accredited to the Government of the United States, but will include every other class of persons." Clearly the original intent of the 14th Amendment was not to encourage foreigners to defy U.S. law at taxpayer expense. Sadly the amendment is now being employed to do just that.
http://www.americanpatrol.com/ANCHORBABIES/AnchorBabiesAllanWall.html
Two things: One, I though American patrol was off limits to post on this site. Two ya gotta be careful how you word things. The language of the amendment is clear. All persons born, period. Not all persons born of citizens, or all white people, or all black people or all fuzzy people. There isn't a qualifying clause to be found. It's all persons born. Period.
Sorry, I thought it had been decided. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it turns out then. It looks like it is scheduled to be argued on March 28th. If they find for Medellin it could affect this issue, no?
Possibly, but I strongly suspect that SCOTUS will uphold the findings of the lower court and that Medellin will be denied again.
Looks like you can't handle someone disagreeing with you on the 14th Amendment and anchor babies. No matter what the source. And the original source is actually Allan Wall via Front Page Magazine, not American Patrol.
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/browse_thread/thread/35fe005bfd7cd509/386e8f937f2f5e05?q=%22Most+countries+of+the+world+do+not%22&_done=%2Fgroups%3Fq%3D%22Most+countries+of+the+world+do+not%22%26num%3D100%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26rls%3DGGLD,GGLD:2005-08,GGLD:en%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg%26&_doneTitle=Back+to+Search&&d#386e8f937f2f5e05
This was the law until about 1920-if my memory serves me correctly.
I could swear Allen Wall posted here under his own name but it doesn't show up.
It is there but there are loopholes. The biggest loophole is if the mexican gov't simply "fails' to get you a birth certificate.
Everyone born in Mexico is supposedly a Mexican Citizen forever. It is rather ironic but nations bent on conquest did this several thousand years ago. This was so the children of the raped women would be citizens and hopefully repopulate the warrior class.
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We definitely are neck-deep in muddy water when it comes to just where naturalizing children born on American soil by foreign parents really is - seem hard to nail down.
Did the politicians do it to us again (beginning back in the 1920's)?
One thing is for sure, Anchor Baby immigration is the mainstream ticket for illegals to sink their teeth into when it comes to not leaving the United States.
Thanks for looking into it.
Great news! Thanks.
I wasn't defendind them, I agree.
It is implied. I just ask you to think about it.
"This was so the children of the raped women would be citizens and hopefully repopulate the warrior class."
Interesting. One of the "rituals" for MS-13 is gang rape.
That's awful. Where will we get future generations of wages slaves for multinational corporations? Our economic future depends on this.
However, this entire discussion is academic, as can be seen from this quote from the article:
Advocates for and against the measure, which has surfaced in various forms before, said the bill is unlikely to go far in Congress. The bill is now in the House Judiciary Committee. No hearing on the bill has been scheduled.
"This is really a perennial bill; it comes up each spring," said Angela Kelley, deputy director of the National Immigration Forum, an immigrant-rights advocacy group based in Washington, D.C. "It gets a handful of co-sponsors and never sees the light of day."
I tend to believe Ms. Kelley is right about the bill not seeing the light of day, especially given the fact it's a perennial bill.
A NATIONAL DRIVE FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM in D.C.
April 23- 28, 2005
This is Roger Hedgecock's event.
http://www.rogerhedgecock.com/travel_current.html
A NATIONAL DRIVE FOR IMMIGRATION REFORM-
Hold Their Feet to the Fire XI with Roger Hedgecock - April 23- 28, 2005
Of course they should not become citizens. Only children of American citizens should be citizens. It is absurd to give citizenship to a child even of foreigners legally in this country, such as tourists.
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