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High Court Ends Death Penalty for Youths
AP, via Yahoo ^ | 3/1/05 | By HOPE YEN, Associated Press Writer

Posted on 03/01/2005 7:32:36 AM PST by So Cal Rocket

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To: conserv13
One would like to think they cannot kill without escaping a just punishment either.

By playing loose with the word 'children' you hope to invoke a teary eyed compassion for the 17 year old who mows down a classmates, deals drugs and does drive by uzi assassinations, ties up and wastes convience store clerk, and/or empties bullets in the heads of grandmas and parents - or becomes a sniper team that haunts the Eastern seaboard for months.

But let's assume you are right, children don't deserve adult punishment - they don't deserve prison (adults only), or work farms (adult), or anything but what ? Spanking ? Reform School till 18? A good lecture and off too bed without cookies and milk ? Extra chores around the house ? No TV for six months?

Drop the stupid "children" gambit, its disgusting. Some children deserve adult punishment, and some adult punishment is capital punishment.
41 posted on 03/01/2005 9:25:43 AM PST by Mark Hamilton ("You can't reason someone out of something that they didn't reason themselves into.")
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To: conserv13
Children under the age of 18 cannot vote, they cannot drink, they cannot smoke. But they can be executed?

  Yes. If you're old enough to murder, you're old enough to be hanged.

Drew Garrett

42 posted on 03/01/2005 9:31:32 AM PST by agarrett
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To: Mark Hamilton
okay, forget 'chilldren'. How about 'young adult'? What would you classify someone under 18 as?

I am not saying let them off, I am saying don't execute them.

Age 18 is a line. Where would you draw the line? If it could be determined that a 5 year old committed premeditated murder, would you want that 5 year old executed?

43 posted on 03/01/2005 9:33:05 AM PST by conserv13
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To: Labyrinthos
I would rather trust God to administer the ultimate punishment. But what do I know?

In Romans, Paul states that God institutes government to protect its citizens and administer justice. The ultimate punishment, eternal judgment will be administered by God, but He also gave us the ability and the responsibility to administer justice through our governments.

44 posted on 03/01/2005 9:33:46 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: So Cal Rocket

If this were the 'law' back when the Constitution was written, they would not be executing murderers who were reaching middle age. After all, the average lifespan back then was what, 35 years?


45 posted on 03/01/2005 9:36:02 AM PST by technomage
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To: conserv13

Teens should not necessarily be considered "children". The law protects them from certain responsibilities and prohibits them from certain activities based on their immaturity. However, when they deliberately become criminals, they bring on themselves the consequences for their criminal actions.


46 posted on 03/01/2005 9:37:00 AM PST by VRWCmember
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To: Labyrinthos
Sorry, but being pro-life has only one meaning. Pro-INNOCENT life! I wish we could get rid of all rapists, murders, and violent criminals. Ask the families what they think. I'm sure there are some who will opt to let them "rot in prison." But, are they really "rotting." They get 3 square meals, TV, workouts, etc. Sure, it's not life on the outside, but it's better than others who live on the outside. We treat prisoners better than the poor. Kill 'em all and let God sort them out. It's better that they rot in Hell then wasting my tax dollars!

And, just for the record, I AM against ALL abortion in any cercumstance--except, when the mother has a high risk of losing her life. Then the mother, in my opinion, has a hard choice...live, or let her baby live. It has happened when women refuse to have abortions despite high risks of dying. And, many brave women opted not to kill their baby, but instead have themselves die in the process.

There is a special place in Heaven for women like them!
47 posted on 03/01/2005 9:42:30 AM PST by metalmanx2j (Liberals suck! I don't care who knows it!)
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To: Quick1

I see your point, but unfortunately, it's the minority opinion in either party. A friend of mine wrote an article about this for our college paper. Someone with a personal vindetta against him posted the article on Freerepublic along with his E-mail address. He received lots of nasty flames and even a few threats.


48 posted on 03/01/2005 9:44:25 AM PST by RepublicMan4U
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To: VRWCmember
So someone who cannot determine on their own whether it is okay to have sex, vote, smoke or drink can determine it is okay to murder and be held to the ultimate penalty?

It does not make sense to me.

49 posted on 03/01/2005 9:44:37 AM PST by conserv13
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To: So Cal Rocket

When Rehnquist steps down it will not change the composition of the Court unless Bush replaces him with a liberal (which is always possible -- Bush Sr. gave us Souter). The only way to turn the Court to the right would be for Bush to replace Kennedy, Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg or Breyer. I don't see any of those five stepping down during the next 4 years.


50 posted on 03/01/2005 9:48:08 AM PST by kennedy ("Why would I listen to losers?")
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To: kennedy
The only way to turn the Court to the right would be for Bush to replace Kennedy, Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg or Breyer. I don't see any of those five stepping down during the next 4 years.

JP Stevens turns 85 next month.

51 posted on 03/01/2005 9:52:46 AM PST by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: Labyrinthos
First, this is a State's right issue.

Second, punishment should fit the crime.

Third, equating an unborn child to a person who deprived a person of his or her rights is intellectually dishonest.

Fourth, society must send the murderer to the same place he or she sent the victim, judgment before God. Big huge difference between killing and murder.
52 posted on 03/01/2005 9:53:36 AM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: iopscusa

Only a handful of countries have executed minors since 1990, and two of them - Pakistan and Yemen - have since put an end to the practice. The ones I listed are the only ones left.

Do a web search on - "death penalty" minors - for documentation, it's a major human rights sticking point for the perennial critics of the US.

I'm not talking about Europe, I'm talking about the entire world except for those countries.


53 posted on 03/01/2005 9:54:17 AM PST by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: So Cal Rocket

What the court actually ruled:

If you want somebody murdered, hire a minor. We'll make sure they don't get the needle.


54 posted on 03/01/2005 9:57:13 AM PST by Tall_Texan (If you can think 180-degrees apart from reality, you might be a Democrat.)
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To: hopespringseternal
Shocker, the system works!

For some. But I'm not about to assume it works for all.

Produce an innocent that has been executed in the last 50 years and we can talk about changing the system, provided that you can show the system at fault and not one bad actor sabotaging it.

I'm not aware of a concerted effort by anyone to dig up the dead to obtain DNA samples to see if innocent people were wrongfully executed. That doesn't mean that hasn't happened.

He gets off with a prison sentence from which escape, parole, a liberal judge, are all possibilities for an unfettered life. The victim will always be dead.

Escape from a maximum security prison in this day and age is extremely rare. It does happen, but not very often. The same state legislatures that can muster enough votes to pass a death penalty ought to be able find enough votes to pass life without parole. Even with the death penalty, liberal judges have plenty of oppurtunities to turn killers loose between conviction and execution.

55 posted on 03/01/2005 10:27:30 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Les_Miserables
IMHO, Folks who can't support the death penalty when justified suffer from the same brain warp that drives all liberals.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but I'm not a liberal by any stretch of the definition. I do have a moral problem with killing people except in self-defense and during military operations. I respect your position. Please respect mine.

56 posted on 03/01/2005 10:32:30 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: M 91 u2 K
So you are against killing Jihadies who attack America?

Read my Post No. 56. I don't have a problem killing anyone in warfare, as long as the killing takes place on the battlefield (where ever that might be) for a greater good. I do have a problem killing prisoners of war or enemy combatants once they are in custody.

57 posted on 03/01/2005 10:37:30 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
For some. But I'm not about to assume it works for all.

So let me get this strait: You have no evidence whatsoever that your opinion is valid, but we should completely overhaul our criminal justice system anyway?

That doesn't mean that hasn't happened.

LOL. If you could dig up one innocent corpse you'd have a parade through the middle of Manhattan with it.

It does happen, but not very often.

Real actual, productive members of society who are dead now proves that it is more real than your mythical innocent man executed.

The same state legislatures that can muster enough votes to pass a death penalty ought to be able find enough votes to pass life without parole.

When you provide some evidence that the state is incapable of executing the guilty without executing the innocent, people will be with you. Until then, you are demanding a majority of the people to cater to your self-righteousness against their own self-interest and safety.

Even with the death penalty, liberal judges have plenty of oppurtunities to turn killers loose between conviction and execution.

Yes, but not one has ever released a killer after his execution.

58 posted on 03/01/2005 10:38:32 AM PST by hopespringseternal
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To: metalmanx2j
And, just for the record, I AM against ALL abortion in any cercumstance--except, when the mother has a high risk of losing her life. Then the mother, in my opinion, has a hard choice...live, or let her baby live. It has happened when women refuse to have abortions despite high risks of dying. And, many brave women opted not to kill their baby, but instead have themselves die in the process. There is a special place in Heaven for women like them!

I share your beliefs.

59 posted on 03/01/2005 10:46:37 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Labyrinthos
I do have a problem killing prisoners of war or enemy combatants once they are in custody.

There are people out their who are monsters and should not be breathing.

60 posted on 03/01/2005 10:54:17 AM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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