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CNN: US SUPREME COURT: ALL DEATH PENALTY CASES WITH JUVENILE KILLERS THROWN OUT!
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Posted on 03/01/2005 7:21:16 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ

The Supreme Court ruled Tuesday that the Constitution forbids the execution of killers who were under 18 when they committed their crimes, ending a practice used in 19 states.

The 5-4 decision throws out the death sentences of about 70 juvenile murderers and bars states from seeking to execute minors for future crimes.

The executions, the court said, were unconstitutionally cruel.

This report will be updated as details become available.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ban; deathpenalty; impeachthem; judicialtyranny; juveniles; levinsexactlyright; meninblack; readmarklevinsbook; ropervsimmons; ruling; scotus; supremecourt
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Good grist for replacing these activist judges with constitutionalist judges.


481 posted on 03/01/2005 9:26:08 AM PST by evad
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To: Griptilian

I agree. I disagree with those who think it is a deterrent.


482 posted on 03/01/2005 9:26:19 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Pull up a chair and watch history being made.)
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To: JCEccles
I think that's sad

It is sad...generally I am of an extreme conservative, almost libertarian bent. I guess in this case I was playing the part of Devil's advocate.

You're right also, in the fact that a concensus is only reached through much debate. That's why I like Free Republic so much!

483 posted on 03/01/2005 9:26:54 AM PST by colorcountry (All the people like us are we, and everyone else is They. ...Rudyard Kipling)
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To: CIB-173RDABN

Please cite a case where someone declined to commit murder because the penalty was death instead of life in prison.


484 posted on 03/01/2005 9:27:20 AM PST by Trust but Verify (Pull up a chair and watch history being made.)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Slippery slope to politicaly please felons and mass murderers and terrorists of all kinds, giving them the vote...


485 posted on 03/01/2005 9:28:11 AM PST by JudgemAll (Condemn me, make me naked and kill me, or be silent for ever on my gun ownership and law enforcement)
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To: HostileTerritory
He's below the age of consent and can not be legally judged to be of the same sound mind as an adult committing the same crime.

Murderers have an age of consent??? What, I consent to murder someone?

Are you on crack?

There are systems and standards in place for determining what minors will be tried as adults. Your deep-throated advocacy for vicious killers is sickening!

486 posted on 03/01/2005 9:28:31 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("Thought I was having trouble with my adding. It's all right now." - Clint Eastwood)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
Someone remind me exactly what I gain for being a "Law abiding citizen?" Part of the social compact That I hold with the Government is that I give up my right to private redress for wrongs done to myself and family in exchange for public ones in order to limit endless blood feuds. If the Government takes the position that wrongs done to my family are not as bad if they are committed by protected groups and denies me proper redress, does not the Government become complicit to the crime?
487 posted on 03/01/2005 9:29:07 AM PST by yuleeyahoo
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Another example of the court stepping in where it doesn't belong. Why exactly do we have legislative bodies????


488 posted on 03/01/2005 9:29:39 AM PST by housewife101
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To: Trust but Verify
I disagree with those who think it is a deterrent.

Can you cite any instances where someone came back from the dead to murder again?

489 posted on 03/01/2005 9:29:46 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: G32

Here is how they can read your 2nd Amendment.

It says "A well-regulated militia".

That means "regulations are ok".
That means gun control is constitutional.
And since the militia is a state-commanded organ, that means that whatever degree of regulation the states want to put on guns, that's a "well-regulated militia", and constitutional.
That means that the states can individually outlaw guns.

And the "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" part?
Simple.
The Constitution applies to the Federal government, not the states.
So, the second clause says that Congress cannot completely outlaw guns, but the first clause says that states and municipalities can.

Of course, if they want a nice national standard, they will observe that "all rights have natural limits", and observe "free speech doesn't mean you can cry 'fire' in a crowded theater".
By that logic, they were able to make "Congress shall pass NO law abridging the freedom of speech" into "Congress shall pass no law we don't AGREE with that abridges the freedom of speech."

Ditto for guns.
Your best bet, if you are not willing to have government defy the Supreme Court, is to make sure that our Imperial Judicial Masters, who in fact wield Supreme and Final Authority in America, are mostly gun owners or NRA members.
That way the "King" is on your side.


490 posted on 03/01/2005 9:30:16 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Tibikak Ishkwata!)
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To: JohnnyZ

Don't be disingenuous. "Age of consent" is shorthand for the legal distinction between being a minor and being an adult in the eyes of the law. Ask a lawyer what this means if you're still confused.


491 posted on 03/01/2005 9:30:38 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: StoneColdGOP

Stupid is right.

Save the murderers and give them the vote but kill the disabled. Some system of justice!


492 posted on 03/01/2005 9:31:22 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Netizen

Perhaps the proper way to prevent murder is to pre-emptively execute every citizen in the country, then.


493 posted on 03/01/2005 9:31:29 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Next_Time_NJ

Yes it is soooo cruel to put a convicted murderer to death if he/she is under 19. But IT IS PERFECTLY FINE AND NOT UNCONSTITUTIONALLY CRUEL TO KILL AN UNBORN CHILD.


494 posted on 03/01/2005 9:32:09 AM PST by marty60
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To: marty60

Correct analysis.


495 posted on 03/01/2005 9:34:35 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Tibikak Ishkwata!)
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To: marty60

Correct analysis.


496 posted on 03/01/2005 9:34:39 AM PST by Vicomte13 (Tibikak Ishkwata!)
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To: Sandy

>>>>Many don't, **but some do**. Up til now, we let juries decide whether a teen "grasped" the significance of his crime.

Do you really think that a blanket generalization regarding *all* teen criminals is preferable to having each criminal judged on a case by case basis?

More importantly, do you think that *your* preference is Constitutionally required?<<<<


Great point!
Excellent post!!


497 posted on 03/01/2005 9:35:36 AM PST by snarkytart
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To: Mo1

The most disturbing part of this decision is Justice Kennedy saying that International opinion should be considered


498 posted on 03/01/2005 9:36:19 AM PST by MJY1288
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To: HostileTerritory

You might not like it but just because soemone is under 18 does not mean that they brain dead. Minors know at relatively young ages that dead means DEAD AND GONE. By 15 most, certainly understand the concept. If they don't then one must wonder where their parents are?


499 posted on 03/01/2005 9:37:46 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

US Supreme Court is uber alles.

5 "Justices" are the law. They makes the law.

We are a banana republic.

Impeach the 5 Injustices now!

They are tyrants.


500 posted on 03/01/2005 9:38:21 AM PST by tomahawk
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