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CNN: US SUPREME COURT: ALL DEATH PENALTY CASES WITH JUVENILE KILLERS THROWN OUT!
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Posted on 03/01/2005 7:21:16 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ

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To: Recovering Hermit
I can kill somebody and not be held accountable for my actions.

Nope. Teenagers who commit murder are subject to the full range of judicial remedies with the exception of the death penalty.
241 posted on 03/01/2005 8:07:33 AM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Next_Time_NJ
If they're old enough to know "right" from "wrong", they're old enough to make the decision to commit murder and consequently old enough to hold liable for their crimes and execute. Past a certain very young age (certainly past 12), a person's ability to discern a moral difference and commit a horrendous crime like murder is developed enough society to make him assume responsibility for his actions. Teenagers certainly are old and mature enough to know the difference between "murder" and "play".

Bad decision. Very bad. This is not something the Constitution spells out clearly, so these judicial potentates simply decided to do make it up themselves instead of leaving it up to the people through their duly elected representatives.

This is full-throated "judicial activism" on lavish display. Where is this "conservative" Court we hear so much whining about nowadays?

242 posted on 03/01/2005 8:07:38 AM PST by Gritty ("Abortion is an issue liberals believe is best voted on by groups of nine or fewer"--AnnCoulter)
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To: Quick1
There is no actual evidence of the death penalty being a deterrent.

It's a tremendous deterrent to future murders. The recidivism rate for executed offenders is ,,,,,,,zero.

243 posted on 03/01/2005 8:07:41 AM PST by Protagoras (" I believe that's the role of the federal government, to help people"...GWB, 7-23-04)
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To: Modernman
Like I said, it is unjust to treat a 16 year-old as an adult in such a circumstance while not treating him as an adult in others. If a 16 year-old is mature enough to be executed for his crimes, then he is mature enough to vote or enter into legally-binding contracts.

A 16 year old who murders is acting like an adult and is a threat to society thats why.

And for the record 18 year olds can be forced to serve in the military and cant drink alcohol so what is just based on your logic is red herring.

244 posted on 03/01/2005 8:07:53 AM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: Next_Time_NJ
Actually we are commanded to do just that.

"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of G-d has G-d made man."

Gen 9:6

245 posted on 03/01/2005 8:08:04 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (No one knows the shape of the future or where it will take us. We know only the way is paved in pain)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

In Hebrew, there are nine different words that mean "to cause the death of another." The word that is used in the sixth Commandment means specifically to murder an innocent human being.

Exodus 20
13 "You shall not murder.

Webster's Dictionary defines murder as "the act of unlawfully killing a human being with premeditated malice." This doesn't prohibit all forms of killing people. There are three ways of killing human beings that are not forbidden by this commandment from God.

God's Word actually protects three ways of killing as being legitimate under certain circumstances.

The first legitimate way of killing a person is legal capital punishment for gross and heinous crimes committed against other people. In Genesis 9:6, God said to Noah, "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man." Immediately after Noah’s Flood, God authorized people to establish governments that would bring order and justice to society. Part of the authority given to a government is to execute its worse criminals with the death penalty.

Whether we like it or not, the Bible allows for the death penalty for certain crimes. Leviticus 24:17 says, "If anyone takes the life of a human being, he must be put to death."

God authorizes governments to use the death penalty on hard-core criminals. Numbers 35:16-21 affirms it. The Bible says the execution of a quick penalty serves as a deterrent to crime (Deuteronomy 13:11; Ecclesiastes 8:11). This same principle carries into the New Testament. In Romans 13:4, Paul says a policeman "is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer."

Paul said in Acts 25:11, "If I am guilty of doing anything deserving of death, I do not refuse to die." This shows that Paul believed in the legitimacy of capital punishment.

The second legitimate way of killing is that of a just war. The question is, what constitutes a just war? Does it mean beating Hitler and squashing the Nazis, at the cost of 30 million dead in Europe?

Proverb 20:18 says, "if you wage war, obtain guidance." Proverb 24:6 adds, "for waging war you need guidance, and for victory many advisors." Clearly, God considers some wars to be just.

The bottom line is, when a soldier shoots another soldier on the battlefield or fires off a bomb with the benevolent goal of defending the lives of innocent people from a tyrant, it is not the same as murder, and it does not violate commandment six.

The third legitimate way of killing is that of self-defense. Exodus 22:2 says, "If a thief is caught breaking in and is struck so that he dies, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed.


246 posted on 03/01/2005 8:08:13 AM PST by Netizen (jmo)
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To: docbnj
The point here is that the Court just made up the law for you, in a completely illegitimate decision.

I hate to bring up the old slavery cliche, but was there a Constitutional basis for outlawing slavery?
247 posted on 03/01/2005 8:08:30 AM PST by Quick1
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To: Next_Time_NJ

All I can say is, holy crap and what the hell were they thinking?????


248 posted on 03/01/2005 8:08:38 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (Carnac: A siren, a baby and a liberal. Answer: Name three things that whine.)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

bump


249 posted on 03/01/2005 8:08:51 AM PST by foreverfree
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To: Next_Time_NJ

"Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man."

Genesis 9:6


250 posted on 03/01/2005 8:09:00 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: TomGuy
Damn. I wonder if the MSM is going to give a full and complete accounting of the stains on humanity which will not be 'spared' the death penalty because of SCOTUS. And, as we know from before when SCOTUS yanked the death penalty, if SCOTUS changes its mind, these folk's will not have their sentences to death restored.

Kennedy, Souter, Breyer, Stevens, Ginsburg: bastards all.

251 posted on 03/01/2005 8:09:09 AM PST by newzjunkey (Demand Mexico Turnover Fugitive Murderers: http://www.escapingjustice.com)
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To: M 91 u2 K; All

As i wrote before it is NOT a detterent AT ALL. I will explain again.

Once that penality is handed down you have years and years before you will killed. They clog our court systems with BS and drive up costs for the taxpayers.

You want it to be a true deterrent? Death the next day high noon...


252 posted on 03/01/2005 8:09:43 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ (NJ demorat exterminator)
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To: Next_Time_NJ

If your old enough to pre-mediatately kill a person, your old enough to be executed!


253 posted on 03/01/2005 8:09:57 AM PST by Bommer
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To: Semper Paratus
Sorry if this has been posted already.

Source

In the court's majority opinion, Justice Anthony Kennedy agreed and declared the U.S. Constitution forbids the imposition of the death penalty against offenders who were under the age of 18 when their crimes were committed.

"It is proper that we acknowledge the overwhelming weight of international opinion against the juvenile death penalty, resting in large part on the understanding that the instability and emotional imbalance of young people may often be a factor in the crime," he wrote in the 25-page opinion.

254 posted on 03/01/2005 8:10:32 AM PST by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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To: Quick1
Actually quite the opposite.

You are truly pro-death. You do not value life.

I on the other hand value life. I even value your life even though you do not value mine.

255 posted on 03/01/2005 8:10:35 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (No one knows the shape of the future or where it will take us. We know only the way is paved in pain)
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To: HostileTerritory
Nope. Teenagers who commit murder are subject to the full range of judicial remedies with the exception of the death penalty.

Yeah like counciling Im sure a good talk therapy session will help make this misunderstood monsters FEEL better.

After all their the real victims not the people kill,rape, and maim.

256 posted on 03/01/2005 8:11:11 AM PST by M 91 u2 K (Kahane was Right!)
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To: Vicomte13
The Supreme Court is the senior branch of government, the one with the FINAL, unappealable authority on all issues, limited only by its own discretion and the need for 5 justices to agree.

Where does the Constitution grant them that authority?

257 posted on 03/01/2005 8:11:20 AM PST by Tree of Liberty (requiescat in pace, President Reagan)
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To: Protagoras
Executing a 5 yr old would be cruel and unusual in my opinion.

This is a moral judgement made by you, not God. God has made his law well known, "Thou Shall Not Murder". I happen to agree with your statement and I most definitely agree with God. But that doesn't chnage the FACT that this power resides at the state level.

Sorry, incorrect. Elected officials don't decide what is moral. That is reserved for God.

Patently false. God is source of absolute truth. But men legislate morality. It is what legislators do. All law has a moral component and men and women are elected to legislate same. Not all men and women believ in God. Those officials are responsible to their citizenry and held responsible at the polling booth. Justice Kennedy and the Mousketeers answer to nobody which is why they do what they want when they want.

258 posted on 03/01/2005 8:12:05 AM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Publius Valerius
When was this done? I'm curious.

It has never happened-directly. But the Constitiution does not require a justice to be a lawyer. In fact, many Presidents nominated politicians (former lawyers) holding elected office rather than judges since they were more "in-tune" with the wishes of the public. These politicians were lawyers at one time or another, but they were chosen for their non-active legal status.

259 posted on 03/01/2005 8:12:07 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (9-11 is your Peace Dividend)
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To: Recovering Hermit
Message to all teen killers: I can kill somebody and not be held accountable for my actions.

Ummm who said this? I think 25-Life is a pretty hardcore punishment.. You should rephrase it to say "the way YOU want them to be held accountable".

260 posted on 03/01/2005 8:12:11 AM PST by Next_Time_NJ (NJ demorat exterminator)
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