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Terri Schiavo's parents ask judge to let her divorce husband
The Miami Herald ^
| 2-28-05
| VICKIE CHACHERE
Posted on 02/28/2005 1:47:24 PM PST by TAdams8591
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To: Pajamajan
"It's pretty obvious to me there is something very wrong with this picture. There are so many people who are blind, though they can see." -- and -- ""They don't see me coming, they never see me coming" (Al Pacino playing the devil, in the movie "Devil's Advocate".)" -- this is what troubles me, but strengthens my convictions. See ya later, 'jan!
521
posted on
03/02/2005 2:00:43 AM PST
by
cyn
To: Mr. Silverback
Yep. I missed the original, where it's obvious that someone is talking about making stuff up out of thin air.
I stand corrected.......
To: The Coopster
523
posted on
03/02/2005 7:24:47 AM PST
by
Mr. Silverback
('Cow Tipping', a game the whole family can play!)
To: supercat; Mr. Silverback; Trinity_Tx
I think the broken bones are evidence enough to open an investigation, even if the Statute of Limitations has run out. If it turns out Michael did attempt to kill Terri, the state will have aided and abetted Michael in completing his MURDER.
That said, at this point, it is NOT a FACT that Michael physically abused Terri, but a STRONG SUSPICION. However, Michael's poor treatment of Terri these past ten years, IS a FACT. His sudden, recall (after five years), that Terri stated she wouldn't want to be hooked up to tubes, is completely self-serving and deep inside Micahel KNOWS it. Who among us hasn't made a comment while watching the news or a movie that we wouldn't want to live in a particular situation. It doesn't mean we would want to be starved to death or even that we wouldn't live in such a situation if we had to. It only means we don't WANT to. To send someone to death based on such comments (even if Terri HAD made them) is nothing less than INSANE.
Finally, there is greater evidence that Michael may have physically abused Terri, than there is evidence that Terri made that statement. Thus, the STATE may starve Terri to death based on weaker evidence, than the evidence with which the state is REFUSING to INVESTIGATE Michael Schiavo.
524
posted on
03/02/2005 8:55:17 AM PST
by
TAdams8591
(The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
To: Trinity_Tx
"there is no doubt in my mind."That Michael BEAT Terri is not also a possibility?
525
posted on
03/02/2005 8:57:43 AM PST
by
TAdams8591
(The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
To: supercat; Mr. Silverback; Trinity_Tx
One more point. I think Michael's abusive treatment of Terri these last ten years is an indication he may have been abusive before her collapse.
Well, two more. Was Terri being treated for bulemia before her collapse? How is the evidence GREATER that Terri was bulemic than that Michael was physically abusive?
526
posted on
03/02/2005 9:03:02 AM PST
by
TAdams8591
(The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
To: Trinity_Tx
I don't know, TT. I made a comment very similar to Terri's about Karen Ann Quinlin, and on other occasions, when people close to me became terminally ill. There is nothing farfetched about it.
527
posted on
03/02/2005 9:11:42 AM PST
by
TAdams8591
(The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
To: TAdams8591; supercat; Trinity_Tx
To send someone to death based on such comments (even if Terri HAD made them) is nothing less than INSANE. This is my point exactly. I've made comments to my wife about these issues, I figure most people have, and I don't think more than a tiny percentage say "Leve me hooked up to a machine for as long as you can, I'm sure a coma will be restful."
But does anybody who is concerned about being a vegetable on life support really mean "starve me to death?" And if they really did, wouldn't that be so clearly insane that the law should ignore it? One might as well ask to be immolated, at least that would be shorter.
528
posted on
03/02/2005 9:23:29 AM PST
by
Mr. Silverback
('Cow Tipping', a game the whole family can play!)
To: TAdams8591
Oh, I have too. I just think the testimony and timing among them is suspicious.
529
posted on
03/02/2005 11:01:47 AM PST
by
Trinity_Tx
(Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
To: Mr. Silverback; supercat
But does anybody who is concerned about being a vegetable on life support really mean "starve me to death?"
And if they really did, wouldn't that be so clearly insane that the law should ignore it?
One might as well ask to be immolated, at least that would be shorter.
You know you're opening up a can of worms here, don't ya? lol
They do sedate you. Still, I agree that that isn't what I'd want to have to do.
But, if the alternative were to go on in a state for years in which I was utterly helpless and unable communicate even a yes/no answer, yes, I'd rather be starved/dehydrated to death - even without sedation. For many reasons.
But to me, it shouldn't be that kind of a choice.
I think it is hypocritical that We The People pretend it's moral to purposefully cause someone to starve and dehydrate but it would be unacceptably immoral to give that very same person a humane OD of morphine.
Either way, I know too many of us have chosen that alternative if it ever comes to that choice to think it means we're insane. ; )
530
posted on
03/02/2005 11:51:00 AM PST
by
Trinity_Tx
(Most of our so-called reasoning consists in finding arguments for going on believin as we already do)
To: Trinity_Tx
"Either way, I know too many of us have chosen that alternative if it ever comes to that choice to think it means we're insane. ; )That's debatable.
531
posted on
03/02/2005 12:30:17 PM PST
by
TAdams8591
(The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
To: Poohbah; All
And God forbid we straighten it out now... Your argument is weak and irrelevant.
BTW, still waiting for a citation on a person's RIGHT to a dignified death and an example of a dignified death... Any takers out there amongst the pro-death-killahs-of-the-disabled-based-on-a-rumor folks? Anyone? A n y o n e . . ?
532
posted on
03/02/2005 1:30:16 PM PST
by
spiralsue
(Medieval treatment of Terri Schiavo continues, right after this short break)
To: spiralsue
And God forbid we straighten it out now... Your argument is weak and irrelevant.Wrong. It is the argument that prevails in the court. Every one of the motions filed on Terri's behalf by her parents require that the parents be Terri's guardians in order to have standing. Michael Schiavo is Terri's guardian, however. That's been the problem the entire time.
533
posted on
03/02/2005 3:55:41 PM PST
by
Poohbah
("Hee Haw" was supposed to be a television show, not a political movement.)
To: Poohbah
Wrong. It is the argument that prevails in the court. Every one of the motions filed on Terri's behalf by her parents require that the parents be Terri's guardians in order to have standing. Michael Schiavo is Terri's guardian, however. That's been the problem the entire time. And the guardianship issue where the parents unquestionably do have standing is somehow one that the Great High Lord Judge Greer is always to busy to address.
534
posted on
03/02/2005 5:08:37 PM PST
by
supercat
(For Florida officials to be free of the Albatross, they should let it fly away.)
To: Poohbah; supercat
Just curious, do you suggest that the Schindlers just give up?
535
posted on
03/02/2005 10:14:35 PM PST
by
TAdams8591
(The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
To: TAdams8591
And the guardianship issue where the parents unquestionably do have standing is somehow one that the Great High Lord Judge Greer is always to busy to address.No, it's been addressed. Repeatedly. Unfortunately, the Schindlers have also lost repeatedly, because their attorney has that same steady competence displayed by other notable Florida advocates...specifically, Jack "Batman" Thompson and Larry "Judicial Watch" Klayman.
Just curious, do you suggest that the Schindlers just give up?
Well, let's see . . .
They've used quack medicine extensively--which, BTW, really hurts you when it comes up in court. Their attorney ignored the one legal argument that MIGHT work (an "argument in equity" approach) and instead engaged in a long, drawn-out legal farce. At some point, they will be forced to give up--when either their money runs out, or the legal system's patience does (and they get tagged as "vexatious litigators."
They've done all that they can short of stepping outside the law and imposing a little street justice on Michael Schiavo.
536
posted on
03/03/2005 4:39:25 AM PST
by
Poohbah
("Hee Haw" was supposed to be a television show, not a political movement.)
To: Poohbah
No, NOT WRONG. Your arguments do not hold up. You are using the illogic known as "begging the question." Your argument's premise is false, therefore I cannot agree with your conclusion. Your premise that it is to be decided in the courtroom means I must suspend knowledge of the repeated acts of malfeasance and incompetence on the part of KILLAH Judge Greer. In addition, I cannot agree that Michael Schiavo should make decisions on behalf of his "ward" because he has repeatedly violated guardianship laws and his guardianship of Terri should therefore be voided. Based upon what has gone on in KILLAH Judge Greer's courtroom with respect to Terri Schindler Schiavo is by definition unjust. So, as you so politely and gently put it -- WRONG!
Please hang up and try again later.
537
posted on
03/03/2005 5:57:41 AM PST
by
spiralsue
(Medieval treatment of Terri Schiavo continues, right after this short break)
To: spiralsue
No, NOT WRONG. Your arguments do not hold up.Actually, they do.
You are using the illogic known as "begging the question."
No, I'm not. I'm pointing out the present situation, and why the Schindlers are not having any success.
Your argument's premise is false, therefore I cannot agree with your conclusion.
Arguing with me on this point is like arguing with gravity. Gravity may not be fair, but it's the law, and it is ruthlessly enforced.
Your premise that it is to be decided in the courtroom means I must suspend knowledge of the repeated acts of malfeasance and incompetence on the part of KILLAH Judge Greer.
If you have direct knowledge of malfeasance or incompetence on the part of a sitting judge, and are doing nothing about it, then you are guilty of aiding and abetting same. If you have hearsay knowledge, then it's irrelevant and inadmissable.
In addition, I cannot agree that Michael Schiavo should make decisions on behalf of his "ward" because he has repeatedly violated guardianship laws and his guardianship of Terri should therefore be voided.
Same issue. Either you have direct knowledge, or you don't.
The law says that Michael Schiavo has standing, and the Schindlers do not, unless they can demonstrate to the contrary. They have repeatedly failed to do so.
Based upon what has gone on in KILLAH Judge Greer's courtroom with respect to Terri Schindler Schiavo is by definition unjust. So, as you so politely and gently put it -- WRONG!
No, I'm correct. The problem you have is that the outcome--for whatever reason, including the Schindlers' propensity for surrounding themselves with legal and medical quacks--is displeasing to you.
Outcome-based litigation is not a good thing.
538
posted on
03/03/2005 6:08:01 AM PST
by
Poohbah
("Hee Haw" was supposed to be a television show, not a political movement.)
To: TAdams8591
Excellent move. Should have done that when he first started sleeping around on her. How could a judge not grant a divorce to a woman whose husband lives with another woman and has two children with another woman. How in the world can he claim to be married to Schivo? In fact it seems to me , with common law, he could be charged with having two wives! Man I hope this gets the sob.
539
posted on
03/03/2005 6:12:33 AM PST
by
ethical
To: Poohbah
Pooh, that first quote isn't mine.
The second one is mine.
540
posted on
03/03/2005 8:49:14 AM PST
by
TAdams8591
(The call you make may be the one that saves Terri's life!!!!!!)
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