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Posted on 02/28/2005 7:08:08 AM PST by floriduh voter
Terri's Freepers,
Judge George Greer denied Terri's parents' Motion for a Stay to protect their daughter's life while there are still pending issues in this LIFE AND DEATH MATTER. In addition the Department of Children and Family Services made a surprise visit to the court hearing the other day and asked Judge Greer if they could approach the bench. Judge Greer denied DCF the opportunity to speak. DCF asked for 60 days to conduct a complete investigation of allegations that have surfaced in the form of a Complaint to their agency.
What was set in motion instead? On Friday, February 25th, Judge Greer REFUSED TO issue another Stay because he was "not comfortable" issuing a say to protect a Ward of the State but instead "set a date certain" (on his calendar at least, not on mine) to BEGIN THE BARBARIC, ANTI-AMERICAN, STARVATION-DEHYDRATION SLOW MURDER OF TERRI.
Attorney Gibbs for Terri's parents held a press conference after J. Greer's order that was so tastefully written to indicate that "he was giving the Schindlers until March 18th so they could "prepare for Last Rites." Attorneys Gibbs called this ruling and prior rulings "Hitler-resque". Indeed.
If Judge Greer wasn't LEGALIZING EUTHANASIA in his courtroom, why any need for Last Rites? Greer's urgency to fulfill this killing places urgency on every one of us to lobby Governor Bush, Florida's House and Florida's Senate.
A Judge in America is ordering the manner of someone's death, a disabled woman who is healthy but needs rehabilitation.
Time is short so we don't really have time to get into Greer's mind to see why he is Florida's Til of the Hun.
What can we do?
1. LOBBY TO SAVE TERRI
2. HELP BUMP THIS THREAD.
3. POST ARTICLES YOU SEE ABOUT TERRI.
4. VISIT PINELLAS COUNTY FLORIDA AND VIGIL WITH US AT HOSPICE WOODSIDE.
5. VISIT TALLAHASSEE AND LOBBY IN THE HALLS OF THE LEGISLATURE.
6. HOLD A DEMONSTRATION AT THE GOVERNOR'S MANSION.
7. Join the Message Board that freepers started at the Crystal Cathedral/Hour of Power. TELL YOUR CHURCH ABOUT TERRI.
8. Tell your friends that Terri is alert and aware of her surroundings and to visit www.terrisfight.org to see her videos.
9. PETITIONS. We will gather current Petitions here for you. At this time, you can sign a SAVE TERRI PETITION AT www.renewamerica.us. THERE ARE ALSO IMPEACH GREER PETITIONS ABOUT.
Finally, the Pope has no Living Will. He will be SAFE as long as he stays away from George Greer's courtroom. The Pope is in our thoughts and prayers and he knows of Terri. He wants Terri to be freed from oppression and from a painless death by starvation-dehyration.
THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO EVERY DAY, THE PAY ISN'T VERY GOOD BUT THE FRINGE BENEFITS ARE THE GREATEST. You are Great Americans and liberty is Terri's and freedom from oppression. Freepers, that is the big payoff if we continue our daunting task.
Terri's family is grateful to you and all of your prayers are being heard by the Giver of Life.
This is Terri's Fight and the battle is enjoined. JOIN US TO SAVE TERRI FROM FORCES THAT HAVE BUT ONE GOAL THAT IS AGAINST EVERYTHING AMERICAN.
GUIDELINES: If you want to start frivolous discussions, please start your own thread in chat.
If you like something from www.theempirejournal.com, please do not post the entire article at Free Republic. Unless I hear otherwise, I believe that we are allowed to post the title and link. TEJ is a great team member of Terri's network. Thanks, TEJ for making a difference and for getting the truth out there.
IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR CONTACT INFO, IT IS ON THE WAY. Thanks, floriduh voter
He'd send them anywhere else as long as it hurts her parents.
DJ wrote ** It is indeed a battle against demons. Some of which inhabit George Felos. This isn't just a physical battle but a prayer battle too. There are more reader reviews at the link.***
Everyone should read about Felos' book. I read several parts of it about 1 year ago. He claim to have been on a passenger plan and by using the power of his stinking mind, he caused the plan to do a NOSE DIVE. The guy is a real kook.
Felos actually thinks he has the power of god. I'd say Felos is obviously following the god of this world and we know who that is. Why doesn't the Media expose Felos' bizarre beliefs? The Media constantly blasts Christians, but Felos seems to be untouchable. Can you imagine if Terri's Parent's lawyers had said they control planes and speak to comatose people WITH THEIR MINDS. The Media would be all over that lunacy.
Felos is definately operating in a Spirtual Realm and it appears to be the DARKSIDE, IMO. Has there every been a thread on this subject? I'm too new to start one. It would be great if the Media saw it and reported it. Wishful thinking, I guess.
Here's the Link from your post again:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1577331044/qid=1110237277/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/103-2829793-4894213?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
Not only did Terri say that she wanted to die, she indicated cremation, with her ashes returned to Pennsylvania. Plausible? Hardly.
He must be carrying out the orders of his predecessor, the popular rotund Jim King of Jacksonville. I don't know the "gentleman," but he may not be his own man here. When Terri dies, the disappointed Republicans won't be able to blame the Democrats this time!
I agree about starting a threda but it would have to be a vanity and I've never read the book. We need someone who has.
I posted the link to the bill a few days ago. As said then, I say again.. HB701 is pure Fluff; Marshmallow Fluff.
You wrote: Felos belongs behind bars in the same cell as Dr. Death himself, Kervorkian. These people make my blood boil and my skin crawl. Pure evil.*****
I totally agree. When you think about it, why is Kervorkian even in jail. (just making a point, I think he should be in jail)
Greer/Felos/HINO are getting by with the same thing. What they are doing IS even worse. It's Starvation and TORTURE. Gov Bush needs to do something NOW. This is ridiculous. I agree with Keyes, concerning Jeb Bush already having the power. Something is very wrong in Florida. This is Murder, period. I sure hope the DCF does their job quick. I'm afraid if they remove the tube, the Hospice will over-dose Terri on Morphine within a few days.
Sorry for being negative. But Jeb needs to do his job NOW. Hopefully the Media will have a big fit over NOT being allowed to see Terri. How obvious is Greer's motive behind that? Very obvious, IMO.
Oh my goodness, You have made my night! I have never followed that link before but I did tonight and I scrolled down to read the people's reviews....it is worth it!
Michael says her ashes can't be kept in Florida because Terri stated that she wanted her ashes in Pa.
He'd send them anywhere else as long as it hurts her parents.
Michael is a moron. He is a cold blooded murderer who cares nothing for Terri or her parents. You are right about him wanting to hurt her parents. He KNOWS that they KNOW what he is doing and unfortunately the justice department
doesn't give a rats rearend about Terri.
I hope I'm doing this right.
http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2005/3/7/73822.html
Ping
I think both parties, for the most part are playing games. They are worried about Medicare and this will set a precedent. Florida has lots of older people and remember the others who were sick and listed on the bill that passed in 1998, to remove feeding tubes.
This really makes me sick. Sure sounds like Germany.
She must have "discussed" it with him when he made her funeral arrangements in 1993. Right after he got all that money.
There's a great article written by the Baptist Web Page that is supporting Terri. It's has lots of quotes from the book. I've read about a year ago. I'll try and find it on google.
That article could easily be used for the thread. It was really good. I used to have it on my laptop but lost everythng on my hard drive.
Please excuse errors in my posts. I'm so upset.
THIS ARTICLE FROM THE FLORIDA WITNESS WILL GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT INTO GEORGE FELOS---Scary Person
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Editorial
More than one worldview at play in Schiavo debate
By JAMES A. SMITH SR.
Executive Editor
Published November 13, 2003
Reading the newspapers and watching the cable news accounts of the now internationally known Terri Schiavo controversy, one would assume that the passions and motivations in this case are fueled solely by the religious worldview of pro-life Catholics, conservative evangelicals and other members of the so-called “Religious Right.” As usual, the major media are missing an important part of this story – there is another worldview in play in the Schiavo debate advocated chiefly by the famous attorney of the case, George Felos.
The fact that people outside the Religious Right – including the disability rights community and Democratic presidential candidate Joe Lieberman (who is a Jew) – have spoken up in defense of Terri has not impeded Florida and national media from their collective hand-wringing over the advocacy of conservative religiously motivated persons. My editorials on this matter have been noted in more than one media account.
Prominently featuring Operation Rescue founder Randall Terry (who briefly emerged from obscurity to champion Terri Schiavo’s cause), The New York Times warned in a page one story headline, “Victory in Florida Feeding Case Emboldens the Religious Right” (Oct. 24). Numerous stories have pointed to Gov. Jeb Bush’s Catholicism motivating his pro-life views which caused him to side with Bob and Mary Schindler – who are also Catholics – in the dispute with Michael Schiavo over the removal of their daughter’s feeding tube. The Associated Press led an Oct. 24 account: “Gov. Jeb Bush has never been afraid to inject his conservative religious beliefs into his politics.”
Sen. Tom Lee (R-Brandon) groused to the Miami Herald that he was forced to vote on “Terri’s Law,” the statute adopted in less than 24 hours during the recent special session of the Florida Legislature permitting the governor to order the re-insertion of Schiavo’s feeding tube after it was removed Oct. 15 by court order. Lee insisted the law was “concocted” as a “brainstorm to use this woman’s life as a political football to appeal to the Christian conservatives in this state who will never understand the details that construct this case.”
George Felos, Michael Schiavo’s lead attorney who gained national prominence more than a decade ago for his role in successfully arguing for the “right-to-die” before the Florida Supreme Court, has called the Schindlers “fanatics” whose ideology has prevented them from properly evaluating Terri’s condition, according to Chicago Tribune (Oct. 23).
Who is George Felos?
After indulging myself in a bit of spiritual exploration by reading Felos’ book, Litigation as Spiritual Practice, it appears to me that the Schindlers have company in the fanatic department. The book is Felos’ description of the intersection of his law practice with his spirituality, using two cases he successfully argued as the backdrop – the landmark “right-to-die” case concerning Estelle Browning and an arcane tax law battle.
The book was published last year by Blue Dolphin Publishing, which specializes in “comparative cultural and spiritual traditions, lay and transpersonal psychology, education, new science, self-help, health, healing, complementary medicine, ecology, interspecies relationships, and whatever helps people grow in their social awareness and conscious evolution,” according to its Web site.
Describing himself as a “spiritual aspirant for close to twenty-five years” (x), it’s clear from Felos’ book that his spirituality drives his law practice, as well as the rest of his life. It’s also clear that his spirituality is enormously important to his views on death and dying. In fact, Felos’ spiritual awakening, as described in detail, is closely tied to his emerging interest in the subject of death and dying.
A fervent practitioner and teacher of yoga and meditation, Felos is a syncretistic religionist who mixes diverse religious traditions – including generous citations from the Bible and references to Jesus Christ – creating a composite of his own spiritual worldview. He believes “evolution of consciousness” is “our ultimate salvation” (xiv).
In the acknowledgments, Felos notes that he has drawn from a wide range of spiritual teachers and teachings, with particular acknowledgment to the Kirpalu Center for Yoga and Health, based in Lenox, Mass. Throughout the book, Felos cites Buddhist, Hindu, Native American and other spiritual traditions from which he draws his views.
Death and Resurrection
In the chapter entitled, “Death and Resurrection,” Felos notes that although he experienced his “initial spiritual awakening in my early twenties, I had spent the last few years of my mid-thirties backsliding” (47). A ten-day retreat at the Kirpalu Center in 1988 “birthed a personal transformation of immense and unexpected proportions” in which his “old life was vaporized” (47). LOL! Too bad it doesn't vaporize now.
The Browning “right-to-die” case was the first legal appointment Felos had after his retreat and he found the case to be a “blessing rather than a coincidence” in light of his “recently acquired fascination with death and dying” (61). (Three years later, Felos spent two months at the Center “where I lived and worked essentially as a monk” (4) while trying to deal with his marital separation which had caused him great pain.)
In a particularly important passage as it pertains to how his spirituality has driven his role in the euthanasia movement (a term he rejects, but clearly applies), Felos discusses reading a book on “conscious dying” on the plane ride home from the retreat. Written by a meditation teacher and activist in the hospice movement, the book “describes the enormous potential for spiritual awakening, both for the patient and the caregiver, which is sometimes realized during the death process” (53).
He continues, “Scripture says neither hands, nor feet, nor emotion, nor mind, nor body are we. Our death—the permanent separation of our spirit, our consciousness, from the body—if experienced with awareness, can provide the opportunity to dispel the greatest of illusions: that we are this body. The author goes on to describe how meditation and spiritual practice is the process of dying—the means by which we extinguish our ego and body identification and realize we are the expression and manifestation of the Divine. Pretty heady stuff, especially for one who had just died and been reborn, so to speak. I deeply connected with the message of this book, and as I gazed out the window upon the clouds and surface below, I felt death move a bit closer” (page 53, my italics). Elsewhere he writes, “In reality you have never been born and never can die” (32).
Felos later discusses the “cosmic law of cause and effect” in which he argues that human beings create their own realities with their minds and have the power to change their reality with their minds – including causing a new, dream car to appear “out of the ether” (178-179). He illustrates the truth of the spiritual principle by explaining how he once caused a plane to suddenly descend, causing chaos for the crew and passengers, when he pondered, “I wonder what it would be like to die right now?” The pilot later explained that the auto pilot computer program mysteriously quit working, resulting in the sudden descent. “At that instant a clear, distinctly independent and slightly stern voice said to me, ‘Be careful what you think. You are more powerful than you realize.’ In quick succession I was startled, humbled and blessed by God’s admonishment” (181-182).
Clearly, Felos’ spirituality and theology of dying is central to his “right-to-die” advocacy.
Throughout the book, Felos repeatedly promotes a pantheistic theology of God in which he argues that humanity and God are one and the same as part of the Universal Consciousness. While numerous citations could be given, one example must suffice: “If we are infinitely large, if the Divine within us, which is us, contains all of creation, what can be taken from us and who is there to take it?” (32, emphasis in original).
‘Soul-speak’
Felos clearly believes in reincarnation and even discusses a conversation with his yet-to-be-conceived, unborn son, who told Felos, “I’m ready to be born…will you stop this fooling around!” (75). He cites this experiences as proof of the validity of perhaps the most bizarre claim in the book concerning what he calls a “soul-speak” conversation he claims to have had with Browning – the patient in the “right-to-die” case. While she never uttered an audible sound, Felos writes that he was able to communicate with the radically debilitated stroke victim who could not talk.
“As I continued to stay beside Mrs. Browning at her nursing home bed, I felt my mind relax and my weight sink into the ground. I began to feel light-headed as I became more reposed. Although feeling like I could drift into sleep, I also experienced a sense of heightened awareness.
“As Mrs. Browning lay motionless before my gaze, I suddenly heard a loud, deep moan and scream and wondered if the nursing home personnel heard it and would respond to the unfortunate resident. In the next moment, as this cry of pain and torment continued, I realized it was Mrs. Browning.
“I felt the mid-section of my body open and noticed a strange quality to the light in the room. I sensed her soul in agony. As she screamed I heard her say, in confusion, ‘Why am I still here … Why am I here?’ My soul touched hers and in some way I communicated that she was still locked in her body. I promised I would do everything in my power to gain the release her soul cried for. With that the screaming immediately stopped. I felt like I was back in my head again, the room resumed its normal appearance, and Mrs. Browning, as she had throughout this experience, lay silent” (73).
Much, much more could be cited to demonstrate that Felos’ spirituality is not exactly mainstream, but space demands require this to suffice. (For more excerpts from Litigation as Spiritual Practice, check out this link.)
It’s also not possible to refute in detail each of Felos’ esoteric spiritual claims except to say that the Bible’s teaching about God and man are starkly different than those advocated by him, in spite of his occasional use of God’s Word. God is real, infinite and personal, and He is distinct from his creation, including humanity. Our human bodies are not illusory and one day will be glorified for those who die in Christ Jesus, while those who die without Christ will suffer eternal, conscious punishment in hell.
If ideas have consequences, as a political philosopher has argued, it’s even more true that spiritual ideas have eternal consequences. That’s why it’s important to understand the worldview behind George Felos’ strong advocacy for Terri Schiavo’s starvation death.
The point here is not to ridicule Felos’ religious views. He is obviously a serious thinker who has developed his spirituality over many years of searching. His views should be taken seriously – especially since they so clearly drive his effective advocacy of the “right-to-die.”
As Richard Land, head of the SBC Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, told the St. Petersburg Times, the Schiavo case presents a “clash of two very disparate civilizations – the Judeo-Christian civilization, which is based upon the sanctity of human life, and the neopagan, relativist, quality-of-life civilization” (Oct. 28).
Both worldviews are in play in the Schiavo debate and it's long past time for the public to understand this.
There is some info from articles about Felos, enough to get the drift!
How disgusting~!!! That jerk making funeral arrangements in 1993!!
How obvious can this be. Anyone with a brain knows what's going on. Only God can stop this. DJ, we've got to battle this using God's tools. It will take a miracle to stop this hedious death train.
That is just so discusting...Michael Schiavo petitions the court (Greer) in 2002 so that he can have Terri cremated upon death because Terri was always afraid of bugs and such. I think the truth is that Michael Schiavo is covering his tracks reguarding all those broken bones in her body. He will probably be there to make sure the deed is done
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