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DRUDGE: Putin Grills Bush on Dan Rather
Drudge Report ^ | Sun Feb 27 2005 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 02/27/2005 1:37:05 PM PST by West Coast Conservative

George Bush knew Vladimir Putin would be defensive when Bush brought up the pace of democratic reform in Russia in their private meeting at the end of Bush's four-day, three-city tour of Europe. But when Bush talked about the Kremlin's crackdown on the media and explained that democracies require a free press, the Russian leader gave a rebuttal that left the President nonplussed, TIME magazine will report on Monday.

If the press was so free in the U.S., Putin asked, then why had those reporters at CBS lost their jobs? Bush was openmouthed. "Putin thought we'd fired Dan Rather," says a senior Administration official. "It was like something out of 1984."

TIME's John Dickerson: The Russians did not let the matter drop. Later, during the leaders' joint press conference, one of the questioners Putin called on asked Bush about the very same firings, a coincidence the White House assumed had been orchestrated. The odd episode reinforced the Administration's view that Putin's impressions of America are often based on urban myths fed to him by ill-informed aides.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Political Humor/Cartoons; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: bratislava; bush; bush43; cbs; cbsnews; euvisit; fakedocuments; freedomofthepress; putin; rather; rathergate; russia
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To: WoofDog123; Sonny M
Even if Putin asked President Bush about Rather I do not believe for a second that President Bush was openmouth and nonplussed and could not respond to Putin as the article was suggesting. This is why I am saying this story is fake and at best greatly over exxagereted.
61 posted on 02/27/2005 2:00:21 PM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas

"I do not believe for a second that President Bush was openmouth and nonplussed and could not respond to Putin as the article was suggesting. This is why I am saying this story is fake and at best greatly over exxagereted."

Is this what you are questioning?


62 posted on 02/27/2005 2:01:49 PM PST by marajade
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To: marajade

Exactly.


63 posted on 02/27/2005 2:02:28 PM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas

I can see Bush being stunned that Putin would ask such a ridiculous question.


64 posted on 02/27/2005 2:02:34 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: jveritas

Bush did respond... but asking the reporter if he felt free to report anything he wanted.

Are you asking about how Bush responded in private with Putin?


65 posted on 02/27/2005 2:03:48 PM PST by marajade
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To: marajade

oops but=by


66 posted on 02/27/2005 2:04:09 PM PST by marajade
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To: West Coast Conservative

I doubt the veracity of this, but if true then I'd say it's a peek into how Putin really thinks, KGB style, and he's merely displaying 'transference' on how he would handle the press in the USSR, err... I mean Russia.


67 posted on 02/27/2005 2:05:14 PM PST by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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To: marajade
Are you asking about how Bush responded in private with Putin?

Yes.

68 posted on 02/27/2005 2:07:11 PM PST by jveritas
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To: West Coast Conservative
please allow me (as I plug in my decoder/translator)

Putin, "How dare you to cause CBS to force one of our agents off the air".

note: some words are lost in the translation, but this is pretty close.

69 posted on 02/27/2005 2:08:05 PM PST by AwesomePossum
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To: jveritas

I don't know. The video/audio clip I saw was the one with the Russian reporter.


70 posted on 02/27/2005 2:08:16 PM PST by marajade
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To: vbmoneyspender

"Is this really any different from what the people at DU or the Keith Olbermann/Jeff Gannon show believe?"


That was my first thought, too - great minds thinking alike.... Putin is "way out there" and lost to reality, but not much more so than most of the left in this country and every country.


71 posted on 02/27/2005 2:08:19 PM PST by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
You may laugh in disbelief, but there was a time in the early 90s before the internet, when Pravda was far more truthful and less biased than Dan Rather and the MSM. I used to see them nightly on the Educational TV channel and they matter of factly reported what happened without interjecting their opinions. The MSM however, was very coordinated and biased (same news stories, same angles).

The tables have now turned with coming of the new media, the blogosphere and the new government control of the Russian media, so now the west has regained te #1 position where the truth can be learned from the news.

72 posted on 02/27/2005 2:08:53 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: West Coast Conservative; All
The odd episode reinforced the Administration's view that Putin's impressions of America are often based on urban myths.

"The administration's view was reinforced when Putin asked 'if you have such an advanced country, why is the NYC sewer system filled with alligators? And you say we have an alcoholism problem here, but at least we don't have all these people waking up in bathtubs filled with ice, minus a kidney."

73 posted on 02/27/2005 2:09:56 PM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (Watching the Today Show since 2002 so you don't have to.)
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To: jveritas

Nothing new here. An awful of left-wingers think that Jeff Gannon was employed by the White House.


74 posted on 02/27/2005 2:09:57 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: The_Media_never_lie

However, the MSM must be viewed with one's truth detector fully engaged.


75 posted on 02/27/2005 2:10:10 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie
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To: jveritas

Actually, here is a second thought.

This question and the topic in general may be for domestic russian consumption. Given the political history of the press in russia, it isn't a stretch to see that many russians might believe this, and it might be a tool to draw some similarities between bush and putin given putin's centralization of power. In this scenario, the disbelief western audiences show to this topic is irrelevant, it is a matter to be played out for internal propaganda.

I don't think any russian leader can be so mis-informed as to believe the US government can control the press on domestic political issues beyond a certain level.


76 posted on 02/27/2005 2:12:05 PM PST by WoofDog123
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To: anniegetyourgun
You mean you expect them to take a pass on the matter, rather than correct the record for the whole world?

This plays right into their whole theme of how "Chimpy Bushitler" is shredding all our civil liberties and clamping down on them, the courageous defenders of the First Amendment who dare to speak "truth to power" by (gasp!) trying to hold them accountable for the lies and DNC propaganda they spew, going around them to speak directly to the American people. ("How dare that ignorant Texas hillbilly even think he can challenge our power!").

They'll encourage this, totally blind to the fact that it make them look like soft little weak-spined pansies, not to mention spoiled little children. It's just too much fun for liberals to play the "victim" card, and they won't be able to resist protraying themselves as victims of the "world's dumbest fascist" (to shamelessly rip off Mark Steyn).

77 posted on 02/27/2005 2:18:20 PM PST by CFC__VRWC
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To: marajade
Its real. I saw clip on FNS.

Some here are suggesting this occurred during the private meeting between Bush and Putin; others seem to think it refers to the press conference. During the press conference a reporter certainly did ask about the fired reporters. Bush explained that their employers fired them, not the government. If it is true that Putin made the allegation during the private meeting, of which there are obviously no video clips, then Putin truly is ill-informed.

78 posted on 02/27/2005 2:18:44 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: bahblahbah
Has anyone put Putin in his place yet?

Yes, the President did.

79 posted on 02/27/2005 2:20:04 PM PST by Bahbah
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To: Drango
Putin was confused...CBS has so many embedded "journalist" from Pravda, he thought all of their reporters served at the whim of HIS government.
80 posted on 02/27/2005 2:28:39 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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