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Summers' Remarks Supported by Some Experts
AP ^ | 2/27/05 | MATT CRENSON

Posted on 02/27/2005 11:10:03 AM PST by mathprof

Harvard University president Lawrence Summers has suffered acrimonious condemnation, and may have jeopardized his job, for suggesting that the underrepresentation of women in engineering and some scientific fields may be due in part to inherent differences in the intellectual abilities of the sexes. But Summers could be right.

Some scholars who are in the know about the differences between mens' and womens' brains believe his remarks have merit.

"Among people who do the research, it's not so controversial. There are lots and lots of studies that show that mens' and womens' brains are different," says Richard J. Haier, a professor of psychology in the pediatrics department of the University of California Los Angeles medical school.

Academia has been bitterly divided in recent years by the nature vs. nurture debate, and the Harvard president's comments last month at a National Bureau of Economic Research symposium squarely address aspects of that dispute that are so controversial the opposing sides almost never discuss them.

On one side are those who believe the sexes are equal enough in their intellectual abilities that any biological difference between them is vastly outweighed by social pressures and discrimination that discourage girls and women from pursuing science and engineering.

"When people hear 'biology' they think there's nothing you can do about it," says Joshua Aronson, a professor of applied psychology at New York University. "It's in that context that Summers' remarks are not helpful."

On the other side are those who believe that biological differences between men and women really can account for at least some of the underrepresentation of women in engineering and some fields of science.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: brain; harvard; larrysummers; sexdifferences
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"I think it's an outrage that certain questions — that real, important questions — can't be raised in an academic atmosphere, that research that's well-known can't be presented without some sort of hysterical response," says Linda S. Gottfredson, a psychologist at the University of Delaware.
1 posted on 02/27/2005 11:10:04 AM PST by mathprof
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Summers' Remarks Supported by Some Experts

Those experts had better get ready to be blacklisted.

2 posted on 02/27/2005 11:13:08 AM PST by Paul Atreides (Hillary, Nancy, and Barbara: Proof that there are strong men in the Democrat Party)
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Facts and a well-supported hypothesis have no place in academic discourse when someone's feelings get hurt.
BOO HOO Does anyone know of any decent conservative, secular colleges I can plan to send my kids to?
3 posted on 02/27/2005 11:13:22 AM PST by LA Conservative (Peace Kills)
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Summers is being ritually disemboweled and quartered by the free speech champions of the left who are only too keen to make con artist Ward Churchill their hero.


4 posted on 02/27/2005 11:18:37 AM PST by JCEccles
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To: LA Conservative

Ha. My husband said that Summers would have been better off going home and beating his wife than opening a frank discussion about something that is at least arguably demonstrable with empirical evidence.

And I happen to be one of those "scientific" women, too...though strangely, I didn't even flinch at his comment. Perhaps it's because I spent the vast majority of my undergrad experience being one of only a handful of women in the physics and calculus classes, and often wondered why myself.


5 posted on 02/27/2005 11:19:15 AM PST by brittmac
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To: LA Conservative

Young America's Foundation Recommends Top Ten Conservative Colleges

http://www.yaf.org/2004-2005_top10.asp


6 posted on 02/27/2005 11:19:59 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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To: LA Conservative
That is what it's all about. Facts be damned as well as rational, educated debate about anything that's not completely PC or 'hurts someone's feelings' where that someone is a member of a defined 'Victim' group. Where are all these critics when it comes to the utterances of Ward Churchill?
7 posted on 02/27/2005 11:22:58 AM PST by drt1
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To: mathprof
Experts laughingly agree that the only thing known to mankind approaching the speed of light is the wrathful eruption of feminists who are told that males are innately better at math and science than females.


8 posted on 02/27/2005 11:23:19 AM PST by Enterprise (President Bush thought Wead was a friend. Turns out he was just a big fat tape worm.)
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Perhaps it's because I spent the vast majority of my undergrad experience being one of only a handful of women in the physics and calculus classes, and often wondered why myself.

The implication of the article is that you were under intense social pressure and suffered discrimination. Did that happen to you?

9 posted on 02/27/2005 11:25:08 AM PST by skip_intro
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interesting, revealing perhaps in a way Aronson didn't intend:

"If I had to guess, the real reason for the lack of women in the upper strata is that there's a comfort zone when you walk into a classroom and see a certain number of people like you," Aronson says.
Female physicists and engineers almost always live their entire professional lives outside that comfort zone...

...whereas men tend to care less about such goofy trivialties as "comfort zones" than do women.

10 posted on 02/27/2005 11:25:22 AM PST by King Prout (Remember John Adam!)
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I don't see Pepperdine in Malibu on these lists. I know Ken Starr is a fellow there. Is that becuase it is not consistently conservative?


11 posted on 02/27/2005 11:29:33 AM PST by LA Conservative (Peace Kills)
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Does anyone know of any decent conservative, secular colleges I can plan to send my kids to?

I'd certainly look into Hillsdale College.........

12 posted on 02/27/2005 11:30:53 AM PST by Osage Orange (I'm a man, I can change, if I want to...Maybe.)
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no kidding.....in grad school my thesis advisor used to tell a great joke.....he was the psychometric statistical expert for a professor at UC that was trying to show there really are IQ differences in the races......he used to call up Dr. Alf and say," Robert, I've got some good date over here but I don't know why there are blacks and Hispanics turning my car over in the parking lot"....haha.....even if he could prove it, the hysterics and naysayers would crucify him.......


13 posted on 02/27/2005 11:34:21 AM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: LA Conservative

Oh, I don't know, just trying to help a fellow FReeper when I can. I'm sure the list is longer on other researcher's lists.


14 posted on 02/27/2005 11:34:49 AM PST by TheForceOfOne (Social Security – I thought pyramid schemes were illegal!)
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Heck - they had some minor studies on the topic in the "50s and '60s; it's not like the guy invented something to antagonize the emotional cripples with.


15 posted on 02/27/2005 11:40:02 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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of course what Summers touched on is well established, but lets call political correctness what it is-LIBERAL FASCISM.


16 posted on 02/27/2005 11:41:12 AM PST by avitot
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To: mathprof

Don't try to confuse the feminazis with a lot of facts.


17 posted on 02/27/2005 11:41:35 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: LA Conservative

You could do worse than Texas A&M University. Check it out.


18 posted on 02/27/2005 11:50:23 AM PST by lostlakehiker
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that research that's well-known can't be presented without some sort of hysterical response

what a choice of words. "Hysterical" means a womanly insanity - hence, Hysterectomy.

19 posted on 02/27/2005 11:50:40 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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A good, solid engineering school might be recommended
I went to Georgia Tech
No tolerance for intellectual flabbiness
Solid scientific grounding
will flunk you if you don't measure up
20 posted on 02/27/2005 11:57:51 AM PST by HangnJudge
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