Republican Disowns Lesbian Daughter (Keyes)

U.K. Guardian ^ | February 26, 2005 | Gary Younge

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Republican disowns lesbian daughter

Gary Younge Saturday February 26, 2005

Guardian When the leading Republican and rightwing pundit Alan Keyes was asked what he thought of Mary Cheney, the lesbian daughter of the US vice-president, he called her "a selfish hedonist". If his own daughter came out as a lesbian, said Mr Keyes, he would say the same thing.

So when Mr Keyes' only daughter, Maya Marcel-Keyes, declared herself a "liberal queer" at a public rally he lived up to his word. Her parents turned her out of their house, broke off all communication and stopped paying her university tuition fees.

Ms Keyes told a rally supporting gay young people in Maryland: "We have to figure out what we can do to make sure that during those times when it seems like everything in the world is turning against them, like everyone in the world is rejecting them, that they know there are resources out there they can turn to; there are people out there who will say to them, 'I care'."

Ms Keyes joins a list of gay people with rightwing relatives, including Mary Cheney and Candace Gingrich, the sister of Republican congressman Newt Gingrich. But Mr Keyes, a darling of the religious right, has been more outspoken on the issue than most.

Ms Keyes says her parents were "not too pleased" when she came out. "Things just came to a head. Liberal queer plus conservative Republican just doesn't mesh well."

Her older brother has offered her somewhere to stay and she has been given a scholarship to continue at college.

"My daughter is an adult, and she is responsible for her own actions. What she chooses to do has nothing to do with my work or political activities," Mr Keyes said in a statement.

Ms Keyes says she loves her parents and "totally understands" their position.

[Gelato]

"MAYA: But when I actually acknowledged it publicly, then it was sort of like 'Oh, gosh, we can't be having that around here.'"

Hypocrisy.

As Maya said, it would have been hypocritical for her parents to back off their beliefs just to suit her lifestyle.

MW: Did you at any point think that your being gay could change their minds about homosexuality?

MARCEL-KEYES: No. My parents believe what they believe because of their religion. My mom, if possible, is even more conservative than my dad. I didn't think it would change anything. If you think that something is morally wrong, just because somebody you know is doing it doesn't mean that you start accepting it. So if people like my parents really believe it is a sin, then because I'm sinning isn't suddenly going to make them stop and think, "Oh, well, it's okay now."

MW: You admire their dedication to their principles?

MARCEL-KEYES: Yes. They have a lot of integrity. I think they're wrong on this issue and I wish they would change, but I don't think they're going to.

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MARCEL-KEYES: He cut off all financial support, but that's something that I can totally understand. I am working for things that he's directly opposed to. It doesn't make much sense for him to be [financially] supporting someone who is working against what he believes in.

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As I stated in post # 432, I sounds like the issue exploded when Maya started becoming an activist for nearly everything her father is opposed to--after she publicly aligned herself with anarchism and accepted a public speaking engagement promoting homosexuality.

Now, suppose Alan Keyes continued to financially support his daughter, had her continue working for his conservative organization, continue living at an apartment paid for by this organization, all the while she is openly involved in homosexual and anarchist politics. Even she agrees that “doesn’t make much sense.”

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

Sometimes doing the right thing can seem harsh.
Truth is often harsh to the one in need of it. Corrective discipline is most always first perceived as harsh by the one on the receiving end, just as those whom God judges and confines in hell will think their judgment harsh.

I'm sure Doctor Keyes hates that it has come to this, but he's not obligated to finance his daughter's depraved lifestyle.I agree, there is no doubt that Alan Keyes did not gain any pleasure from the disciplinary action he took with his daughter, and there is no doubt that he loves his daughter deeply, or else he would not have disciplined her. That discipline is for her own good, but in this permissive culture, even liberal professing Christians, as seen on this thread, shy away from discipline thinking it to be "mean". Those who do are part of the problem and not the solution.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

If you equate conservativism with bigotry then that's your problem, buddy.

i'm always amused at how you liberals throw around the word...."bigot". And yes, as far as I can see, you are a liberal, and not conservative.

Allow me to suggest that before you throw out hypersensitive words like, "bigot", that you first learn the meaning.

A "bigot" is someone who is dogmatic about a belief, which makes YOU a BIGOT! LOL

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

If you equate conservativism with bigotry then that's your problem, buddy.

I always find it ironic that the ones who call Christians who oppose the homosexual agenda 'bigots' are invariably some of the worst bigots you'll ever encounter.

You beat me to it. LOL

[From many - one.]

One more time:
"MAYA: But when I actually acknowledged it publicly, then it was sort of like 'Oh, gosh, we can't be having that around here.'""


Therefore the big breakup did _not_ occur because she was a lesbian.

[From many - one.]

He was financing her "depraved lifestyle" while she was working for his campaign.

He didn't seem to find it objectionable then. Only when it became public and embarrassing to him.

If it was a moral issue to him he shouldn't have accepted her working for his campaign.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

He was financing her "depraved lifestyle" while she was working for his campaign.

He didn't seem to find it objectionable then. Only when it became public and embarrassing to him.

If it was a moral issue to him he shouldn't have accepted her working for his campaign.

Since she did not honor her father and mother, and acted defiantly, knowing full well that her actions would create dishonor, then her actions especially were reprehensible and deserving of discipline.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

But it sounds like quite a few freepers are going to be disappointed that he's still speaking to his daughter. According to them, he should not be speaking with her because she's gay.

Please cite any specific quotes from any who have said what you claim. Otherwise, you should do the honorable thing and retract that hypersensitive distortion and misrepresentation.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

What god do you believe in?

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

a play called Hudibras by Samuel Butler.

If the proverb, "Spare the rod and spoil the child" is in that play, then he quoted the Bible, because that is where it comes from:

Proverbs 13:24;
He who spares his rod hates his son, But he who loves him disciplines him promptly.

Proverbs 22:15;
Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of correction will drive it far from him.

Proverbs 23:13;
Do not withhold correction from a child, For if you beat him with a rod, he will not die.

Proverbs 23:14;
You shall beat him with a rod, And deliver his soul from hell.

[From many - one.]

Here's a timeline of Keyes actions:

High School: discovers she is a lesbian

Senior year High School: Allows her to apply to Brown University without askingfor a scholarship.

Election campaign: accepts her taking a semester off from college... acccepts her working on his campaign... accepts her living in his apartment

Campaign ends

She "comes out" publicly... no funds for Brown... ejected from apartment so abruptly she has to get a place with friends and then her brother etc.

Everything was copacetic until she was visible and embarrassing.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

To: Peach
Let the dead bury the dead. --Jesus
“Who is my mother and who are my brothers?” And pointing toward his disciples he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household.

“Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take up his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life because of me will find it.

Read the Bible much?

Are you kidding? The Bible has too much "mean" stuff in it that stands in opposition to her liberalism.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

He has turned her out of the house and broken off all communication!

Must you continue to employ leftist tactics of misrepresenting the truth?

[From many - one.]

And in not one of the Bibical quotes are the identical words.

He was making fun of Puritans in that play.

It seems to me that if a person wants to say "the Bible says.." they should quote the Bible.

Do you have a problem with that?

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

She "comes out" publicly... no funds for Brown... ejected from apartment so abruptly she has to get a place with friends and then her brother etc.

Everything was copacetic until she was visible and embarrassing.

Your last statement is your own biased characterization, which in reality is a mischaracterization. Everything was not "copacetic" as you claim.

Once again, her dishonoring her parents was enough to bring discipline in itself.

Proverbs 22:15
Foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child; The rod of correction will drive it far from him.

I realize that the Bible carries no weight with you, however, for Alan Keyes, myself and other God fearing Christians, it is our guide for all things pertaining to faith and practice.

Ok, so you don't like Alan Keyes response. This is still America and he is free to respond in the manner that his faith and conscience dictates.

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

It seems to me that if a person wants to say "the Bible says.." they should quote the Bible.

Do you have a problem with that?

Ever heard of a paraphrase? I guess not.

Still can't admit that author was using the Bible, huh?

Often times a paraphrase communicates the essential aspect of a Biblical passage.

You got a problem with that?

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

It seems to me that if a person wants to say "the Bible says.." they should quote the Bible.

Do you have a problem with that?

Ever heard of a paraphrase? I guess not.

Still can't admit that author was using the Bible, huh?

Often times a paraphrase communicates the essential aspect of a Biblical passage.

You got a problem with that?

[Joe.E.Sixpack]

A man who turns his back on his family, his own flesh and blood, for any reason, is no kind of man at all.

I take that to mean that if Osama Bin Laden was your father or son that you would be supportive and sweet to him?

[Peach]

You just joined here yesterday and seem to have a reading comprehension problem. You won't last long.

[From many - one.]

He was making fun of it.

That phrase does more harm than good since many educated people know where it really comes from.

There are those who argue that the context: "For love is a boy, by poets styl'd... then spare the rod and spoil the child" means that it is a positive assertion that one _should_ spare the use of the rod on that cute little cupid.

Quote the proverb you are referring to, not some playwright making fun of it.