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China: Execution of Tibetan Prisoners (photos, warning: gruesome)
Kyunghyang Daily ^ | 01/27/05 | N/A

Posted on 02/25/2005 4:20:40 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster

Edited on 02/25/2005 6:22:12 AM PST by Lead Moderator. [history]



TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: banglist; china; execution; freshorgans4sale; humanright; oppression; redchina; tibet; walmartsupplier
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To: Don Simmons

Why stop at just boycotting Wal-Mart? How many companies do you really think do business in China? You might as well quit buying if you want to boycott made in China.
That includes Mercury outboard motors:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1347618/posts


221 posted on 02/25/2005 10:30:44 AM PST by taxesareforever
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To: Old Grumpy
Holy cow! That is disgusting. Those girls didn't deserve that kind of punishment.

What did they do?

222 posted on 02/25/2005 10:31:25 AM PST by BJungNan (B is da B, Jung is True. Nan is Man)
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To: snowsislander

Is America the only country that can morally justify the execution of its citizens?
""I would generally grant countries with representative government the benefit of the doubt on capital punishment, which I personally have no problem with as an ultimate punishment from a legitimate justice system. Japan and the United States both have a death penalty and reasonably functional court systems, and I generally have no problem with either exercising capital punishment.

But when it comes to the Lubyanka of a communist power, or the killing fields of Khmer Rouge, or the Cultural Revolution of the Chicoms, then, no, I personally don't grant those governments any automatic benefit of the doubt. When you murder tens of thousands, then I myself don't find great credibility in any reasons that such bloody totalitarian regimes adduce as to their murderous ways, though undoubtedly mixed in there will be cases of legitimate capital punishment.""


Good answer,
All I am trying to get at is alot of people here are commenting as if the girl is an innocent angel. For all we know she could have murdered a dozen people. I would love to find the truth, and if she is an innocent victum of a evil government, I'll be the first to jump and scream about it.


223 posted on 02/25/2005 10:36:02 AM PST by commonerX
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To: TigerLikesRooster
What is the problem Tibet posses for China? To the west are the countries of Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan and a portion of India that has a strong Muslim influence. To the south is Nepal also with Islamic rumblings.

That does not excuse the improper dispensing of "justice" by any means. It is certainly hard looking at those pictures and imagining what that girl could have done wrong. It could be a matter of killing the chicken to scare the monkey - or others that might give aid to radical elements. Who knows? Maybe someone here does.

224 posted on 02/25/2005 10:40:41 AM PST by BJungNan
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To: Dr. Marten; All

I just had some people with language backgrounds examine the pictures for me just now.

The sign on the truck roughly can be translated "crime group" from what they can tell.

The sign on the girl, line 1, roughly translates into: "on purpose" + "kill people", the implication that this woman has killed people on purpose. Line two roughly translates into the woman’s name, “Lu Jiang Fong.” The sign makes it appear to the world that first-degree murderers were justly executed, and I don't "buy" this Communist propaganda stunt.

Having said that, in any analysis of the situation, one has to factor in Communist propaganda and their penchant for Human Rights violations.

My hunch is that these women were targeted by the Communist State for whatever reason (probably spreading Christianity or openly favoring democracy), made to wear signs proclaiming the (trumped up) charges, and summarily executed in line with the habitual ChiCom way of dealing with dissent.


I bet in 50 years, the Chinese government will use these pictures as "proof" that they execute murderers.

Only the dead will know the Truth.


225 posted on 02/25/2005 10:42:00 AM PST by Bald Eagle777 (No more high-tech Exports to China. None. The Clinton years were a DISASTER.)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

original link:
http://www.peacehall.com/news/gb/china/2004/12/200412130343.shtml


226 posted on 02/25/2005 10:49:15 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: kingattax
"DO AMERICANS REALLY WANT TO SUPPORT THIS ???? "

NO! Amerikans want to spend their lives prowling around wallmart filling their carts with more and more chinese shit. I quit doing it over five years ago, maybe now you see why.

227 posted on 02/25/2005 10:54:15 AM PST by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; TigerLikesRooster
You stated that you have seen the photos elsewhere. Do you remember where?

Ogrish.com had them a few months ago. (That site is about the sickest on the net btw) But the story there was they were convicted Chinese murderers.

Another thing suspicious about the 'Tibetan freedom fighter' angle is this source appears to come from a blog.

228 posted on 02/25/2005 10:58:53 AM PST by ShiningPath
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To: monday

>> They will execute someone for any reason. They don't have to lie about the reason.<<

They do when they have "most favored nation" trading status with their biggest customer who is overtly squeemish about such matters.


229 posted on 02/25/2005 11:02:38 AM PST by RobRoy (Child support and maintenence (alimony) are what we used to call indentured slavery)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

photos appear to be pretty old


230 posted on 02/25/2005 11:05:31 AM PST by stuck_in_new_orleans
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To: Bald Eagle777

Well, the signs speak quite clearly...the truth is something different.

Such a showing of people for an execution? hmmmm....and only 2 people?


231 posted on 02/25/2005 11:06:30 AM PST by Dr. Marten
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To: Dr. Marten

I believe there were something like eighty-nine executed that day - if I'm not mistaken.


232 posted on 02/25/2005 11:08:38 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: confederate66
As the world sits by and watches..............

Wrong! The world sits by and does not watch because our MSM does not tell us, much less show us the truth. What would Hollywood say if this was shown at the Oscars?

233 posted on 02/25/2005 11:26:48 AM PST by fella
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To: taxesareforever
Why stop at just boycotting Wal-Mart? How many companies do you really think do business in China? You might as well quit buying if you want to boycott made in China.

Well, that settles it... we might as well just give up then.

Yooooohooo... Chinese tyrants... come take our lives, liberty and property, we're tired of being free Americans!

/only partly joking

234 posted on 02/25/2005 11:33:00 AM PST by Max in Utah (By their works you shall know them.)
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To: Al Gator

Not so Al. A high velocity round in the brain will blow the head apart like shown. I've seen it done with an M-16. The human cranium is designed to withstand preassure from outside, not well over 1000 foot-pounds of overpressure shock from the inside that would be imparted by a chicom military round.


235 posted on 02/25/2005 11:34:42 AM PST by GRANGER (Earth First -- We'll log the other planets later.)
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To: Bear_Slayer
In poor countries they wear what they can get.

I thought about that after I posted that. Thats where the old mohair sweaters and liesure suits wind up at. Sad.

236 posted on 02/25/2005 11:35:40 AM PST by beckysueb (God bless America and President Bush.)
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To: GRANGER

If the muzzle is close enough, the powder gases enter the wound channel behind the bullet, causing much additional damage. I saw a picture of a man who shot himself with a .30-30, which is comparable in power to the 7.62x39; his head was mostly gone.


237 posted on 02/25/2005 11:40:00 AM PST by Max in Utah (By their works you shall know them.)
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To: monday
These are murderers, common criminals, not Tibetan dissidents as your title implies.

This does not appear to be just an example of rigorous Chinese justice:

(1) Young girls are not the demographic of murderers and common criminals. There are several, however. Common criminals having committed capital offenses should be predominantly male.

(2) The event appears irregular. If this is how justice is meted out regularly, why not an execution ground?

(3) The Army is performing the executions, not the civilian constabulary.

(4) They victims appear to be schoolgirls. They don't look like criminals elsewhere in the world.

Communist governments always portray their dissidents as criminals. Remember when the U.S.S.R. would arrest "hooligans"?

This appears to be the executions of political dissidents or insurgents.

238 posted on 02/25/2005 11:51:54 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: GRANGER

In theory, you may be correct. And I think the .223, even though smaller is a lot hotter and might,(might) possibly be able to cause such damage.

I won't get into the whys and wherefores of things, but I still doubt that the 7.62 can do such a clean job. Especially a jacketed round.


239 posted on 02/25/2005 11:53:11 AM PST by Al Gator
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To: Max in Utah
I saw a picture of a man who shot himself with a .30-30,

Exactly. The 30-30 round is a soft point or hollow pointed hunting round.

If you use such a round, then yes you MIGHT get such results.

Again, I doubt the Chinese use such rounds in routine executions.

But, I may be wrong! We'll never know.....

240 posted on 02/25/2005 11:56:54 AM PST by Al Gator
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