Posted on 02/24/2005 12:27:21 PM PST by Calpernia
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"Our mission is to go out and educate and inform everyone about the dangers that tobacco use has not only on the person that uses it, but with secondhand smoke, the community and businesses," said Elizabeth Segarra, the CAT coordinator for Hudson County.
Both Chiappone and Assemblyman Louis Manzo, D-Jersey City, have proposed anti-smoking bills that are pending in the Assembly.
One, which Manzo co-sponsored, would permit municipalities, local boards of health or regional health commissions to prohibit smoking indoors in all public places.
"Politics and what makes sense for public health don't always jibe," Manzo told the crowd of about 25. "But I think we're getting there, and I think a lot of the impetus behind the smoking ban throughout every public place in New Jersey is going to happen."
Manzo also talked about a bill he introduced that would create an early detection and education program to be used for a public information campaign on lung cancer in women. He pointed out that more women in New Jersey succumb to lung cancer than to breast cancer.
Chiappone talked about bills he is co-sponsoring that would limit smoking in cars with passengers under 16 years old, raise the minimum age to purchase tobacco to 21 from 18, and prohibit tobacco and alcohol advertising within 500 feet of schools.
According to CAT, 13,000 New Jersey residents die each year from tobacco-related diseases.
Even though New Jersey, and Hudson County in particular, has consistently received low marks on American Cancer Society smoking report cards, yesterday's meeting was the first that CAT's Hudson County chapter has put together in four years.
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I've seen it happen here.
I think the tobacco (for the children) is the false flag for this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1350364/posts?page=15#15
(I will sit back and let you try the 12 gauge theory though...and assist in the clean up)
"But if it's state wide, no reastaurant owner in the middle of the state is going to care."
Don't they realize that some of us will just decide to eat out less frequently? After all, I'm a pretty good cook, and cooking at home is cheaper anyway. If I really want the aura of service, I can always hire a local teenager to flatter us, serve us, and forget to bring my second margarita. ;)
In fact, I'm starting to wonder right now, why DO we go out once a week? They really shouldn't get us to thinking like this.
By the way, when they banned smoking in the malls, I drasticallly reduced my time shopping in malls, not coincidentally reducing money spent as well. Never regretted it, either!
Big money lobby. Wouldn't want to upset them.
I saw with my own eyes what the ban did in Delaware.......and I also know that the media there, almost all of it, cherry picked what businesses they spoke with regarding the impact of the ban, generally only quoted smokers that claimed to like it, and ignored enmasse the places that closed because of it.
Nor did they speak to the owners of establishments right over the state line in Maryland or Pennsylvania. Many of them saw a huge increase of business from Delaware folks.
Additionally the folks claiming that business is so good in the "surrounding states" are paid to say that because their jobs depend on them getting more states to do it.
Where I live in Virginia now is only 5 miles from the Delware line, the owners of places I have gotten to know here have all commented about the increase in business they have seen in the last 2 years from people from Delaware, or who used to vacation in Delaware but stopped because of the ban.
I'm sure some places do well after the ban - but many more do not. My suggestion would be to lift the government mandated ban and see what happens. I would guess most fine dining establishments would remain non-smoking, heck many of them were that way before the government made them, I would also guess that most neighborhood taverns or sports bars would go back to allowing it.
Sorry for my long-windedness, but I've seen good people lose jobs and businesses because of bans - I would rather not see it happen to any more...............and my position does not stem from being a smoker, just someone who is tired of nanny-do-gooders telling others how to run their lives.
I had a friend who owns a restaurant, and before the controversy of a smoking ban cranked up in our town he had already started having No-smoking Mondays. But when the controversy erupted, he started really promoting it. But his No-Smoking Mondays actually saw a loss of business. His restaurant, around 10 p.m. or so, becomes a hang-out for the drinking college students who, on Mondays, found somewhere else to go.
I'd vote for that candidate in a heart beat!!!!
Manzo, it's not the Tobacco it's the air quality.
Did DE do the car ban? And did it creap into the home? And if so, do you know if DE has decided that anything else not good for the children shouldn't be allowed in the home?
What are the penalties in DE for smoking in cars? Home?
If you don't know, do you know a DE freeper we can ping here?
He tried a no smoking Monday? I hope he didn't test that during Monday night football ;)
Almost every list on this forum that references government laws or regulations are akin to each other by corrupt politicians and bureaucrats. All are linked to each other by parasitical elites violating individual life and or property rights.
We had cut them off at the pass in the early 90s in Delaware by getting a pre-emption clause in the first smoking law, so they were unable to go town by town to do anything stronger........they got that clause yanked when they were able to get the total ban passed in 2002.
But in a state that is at most 35 miles from another state without such a ban, lots of businesses got hurt. One restaurant owner we know just said the heck with it, closed up and reopenned a couple miles away, in Maryland. another, who also had 2 more thriving restaurants in Maryland, just closed the one in Delaware. Both of those owners are non-smokers, but knew their clientele.
>>>Almost every list on this forum that references government laws or regulations are akin to each other by corrupt politicians and bureaucrats. All are linked to each other by parasitical elites violating individual life and or property rights.
So, how do we stop it?
The corrupt elites are as much responsible for the breach in our homeland security as the jihadis. Matter of fact, the corrupt elites may be more responsible. They enabled the money flow so their grubby hands could be in the cookie jar too.
If changes are to be made, it needs to be done now, during the WOT.
Look what happened when AbScam got swept under the rug. A few went to jail, those that didn't, became more empowered.
And that brings us here today.
I guess I'm getting old, but I don't really need to go out any more. If it doesn't have a drive up window, I don't need it. I've tasted all the crap they serve in restaurents and I've seen all the crap they sell in the mall. The internet has everything I need, almost.
(But me so ronery!!! :)
DE has not done a "private" car ban....but it is banned in taxis limos and company cars.
Where it has crept into homes in Delaware is for those who have a home based business. If you have employees or other members of the public come to do business you can not smoke inside during business hours...not even in another room.
The penalties for any violation of the smoking ban are the same, I believe the business owner is fined $250 for the first offense, and it goes up after that.
There is one exception to that: bars and restaurants can lose their liquor license (thus their business) for repeat violations.
Patrons and employees are not fined - only the business itself.........and that goes for every business in the state, not just bars and restaurants. You are not even permitted to smoke in a private office in the back of you store.......
Thanks. Bump!
Glad to be of help.........I got plenty more info about the Delaware ban if you need it.
I'll let you know once I see how this one moves along!
An important reminder for everyone who opposes smoking bans:
-- Do not let this be a debate about "the rights of smokers" and "the rights of nonsmokers"
-- Do not let this be a debate about "health issues"
-- Do not let this be a debate about "restaurants losing revenue" and "bars closing down"
-- Do not let this be a debate about the "affects of secondhand smoke on workers"
All of those are red herrings. None of them are relevant AT ALL.
Take care not to get lured into arguments with smoking-ban proponents on these terms. Otherwise you will have allowed them to frame the debate; you will have already ceded vital ground.
This is a debate about property rights. Period. None of the other stuff matters. None of it is relevant. When someone tries to engage you in debate about any of the above issues, just ignore all the superfluous blah-blah-blah, and simply respond by saying, "A smoking ban would violate the rights of property owners. Government is not empowered to violate those rights."
Don't get distracted by all this other stuff, because it has nothing to do with the real issue.
I figured that out in post 15.
Bump to your post too.
WHAT do we do about any of this?
How do you battle a blue state of the Select?
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