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ZOT! The real facts of social security, courtesy of FactCheck
FactCheck.org ^ | February 3, 2005

Posted on 02/23/2005 8:31:43 PM PST by CAOHCAUCSB

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To: Flyer
Cute. Somebody likes orange animals :)
The look on that cats face is priceless...
81 posted on 02/24/2005 5:20:09 AM PST by benice
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To: benice

The dog is mine. The cat wandered in through the open patio door last week and visited for a while.


82 posted on 02/24/2005 5:23:02 AM PST by Flyer (The contents of this information is for your exclusive use and should not be forum curran)
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To: rdl6989
Let me inject something that I have noticed into this thing. I have seen film of several town hall meetings that the Democrats are holding and all I have seen are people as old as I and very few young people ,what is up.
The AARP is scaring hell out of old folks and it seems the Democrats are using us to stir it up for them. It is my understanding that this will not apply to people 55 and older so why are they being used as pawns?
I am 66 years of age and live on limited means and I will forgo social security for the rest of my life if all of congress and the past presidents and future elected officials will forgo their retirement from the government. If they will not agree to this then I think at the least they should have the same retirement that most of their constituents have.
What say you all!
83 posted on 02/24/2005 5:37:32 AM PST by gunnedah
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

What Social Security crisis?
Mark Alexander (archive)


February 23, 2005 | Print | Send


In 1935, wealthy liberal do-gooder Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the most notorious violator of Constitutional federalism in the 20th Century, found a clause in that venerable document authorizing the central government to provide retirement benefits for all Americans. Apparently, 100 years earlier, that clause did not exist. So claimed another Democrat, Tennessee's Davy Crockett, who rose on the floor of Congress and chastised his colleagues for their proposal to appropriate benefits for the widow of a distinguished naval officer.

Crockett protested: "I will not go into an argument to prove that Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. We have the right, as individuals, to give away as much of our own money as we please in charity; but as members of Congress we...have not the semblance of authority to appropriate it as a charity."

Crockett was echoing the words of our Constitution's author, James Madison, who said, most eloquently, "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents...." Madison further noted, "If Congress can do whatever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions."

However, those words were long lost on FDR, who eviscerated federalism in his relentless endeavor to make the central government the agent of salvation for all ills. In June of 1934, he announced to Congress one lasting example of that endeavor -- his intent to create a nationalized Social Security program, ushering the United States into the ranks of Europe's welfare democracies. The nation was in the midst of the Great Depression, and FDR was funding his political dynasty by redistributing wealth. After all, as noted by George Bernard Shaw, "A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul." FDR's plan, like all unbridled populist-entitlement programs, was popular with the democratic majority -- and helped ensure his re-election to office three times.

Social Security's first beneficiary was Ernest Ackerman of Cleveland, Ohio, who retired one day after the Social Security Act was signed into law 14 August 1935. A nickel was withheld from Ackerman's final paycheck, but he received his one-time lump-sum Social Security payment ... 17 cents.

That 12-cent return was the beginning of unforeseen things to come. Soon, congressional amendments added benefits for spouses, minor children and survivors, and by 1950 the program assured virtually universal coverage. 1972 saw the addition of the Supplemental Security Income (SSI) program (AKA "welfare"), and by 1975 the addition of annual Cost of Living Adjustments (COLAs) assured the SS juggernaut's exponential growth. In 1977, Medicare became an independent entitlement, spun off from the Social Security system. Today, despite its humble beginnings, the Social Security system confronts our young people with the grim prospect of paying for unfunded promises made to past generations.

Notwithstanding the "welfare reform" acts of the 1990s, when Social Security turned 65, SSI benefits covered 6,688,489 Americans at a cost of $32,165,856,000, while Social Security itself disbursed some $431,949,000,000 to 45,877,506 beneficiaries. However, those staggering numbers are mere chump change compared to what lies ahead.

President George W. Bush's modest proposal to reform Social Security appears to be a good start at diverting this behemoth from its collision course with insolvency. Predictably, though, the latest retort from the Left is, "What insolvency? What crisis?" Indeed, these do-nothing Demos claim the Fed's IOUs in Social Security's so-called "trust fund," combined with minor tweaks to the system, will keep it solvent for generations.

Well, not exactly. Unless Democrats plan to "tweak" the system by increasing both the retirement age and the current 12.4% SS tax, adding more government debt and reducing benefits, Social Security will not have the revenues to refund current IOUs and meet the SS revenue shortfall. IOUs? For generations, every dime forcibly taken from worker paychecks -- ostensibly to finance the non-existent SS "trust fund" -- has been taken from that fund and applied to other massive entitlement programs.

Social Security outlays now consume 4.28 percent of GDP but will exceed 6 percent in 20 years. There are two reasons for this growth: demographics and benefits increases.

There are 48 million Social Security beneficiaries today, but in 2030 there will be 84 million. In 1950, there were 16 SS taxpayers for every recipient. Now there are only 3.3 taxpayers for every recipient, and that will be reduced 30 percent by 2030. Additionally, when SSI was formed, life-expectancy was 61 years, which is to say, most Americans did not make it to 65. Now, however, average life expectancy is 77.

The second reason for the SSI balloon is that benefits have not been indexed to inflation. Future retirees are being guaranteed retirement increases that grow substantially faster than inflation.

Social Security, as currently managed, will incur an estimated unfunded liability of 27 trillion 2003 dollars over the next 75 years. To offset this jaw-slackening shortfall, President Bush has proposed the incremental privatization of some SSI taxes by allowing individuals under age 55 to invest in personal retirement accounts (PRAs). Additionally, Congress must resolve to index benefits to inflation.

The President's three-year PRA opt-in for SSI taxpayers born after 1950 would allow them to put up to four percent of their wages in their PRAs. At retirement, those invested in PRAs would be guaranteed to receive at least what their payout would be if they only had SSI income. But those beneficiaries whose PRAs have a higher return can share in that return, which reduces the burden on the SSI fund, and the principal balance is fully inheritable.

The PRA plan would "cost" about $664 billion in "lost" SSI revenue over the next ten years. Of course, this lost SSI revenue is merely revenue that's been moved to PRAs, and thus isn't available to "borrow" from the SSI trust fund for other entitlement programs -- and that's why the Demos are hopping mad. Still, all Americans need to understand that the PRA plan does not fully address the revenue shortfall crisis looming on the horizon. That crisis can be resolved only when Congress commits to bringing SSI benefits in line with SSI revenues. (For a comprehensive review of Social Security and the Bush Administration's proposal, see http://FederalistPatriot.US/news/ssi.asp)

Quote of the week...

"Personal retirement accounts should be familiar to [members of Congress], because you already have something similar, called the Thrift Savings Plan, which lets [you] deposit a portion of [your] paychecks into any of five different broadly-based investment funds. It's time to extend the same security, and choice, and ownership to young Americans."
--President George W. Bush

On cross-examination...

"Social Security is simply a tax. Like all taxes, the money collected is spent immediately as general revenues to fund the federal government. The Social Security trust fund does not exist, and Social Security 'surpluses' are nothing more than an accounting ledger showing that contributions exceeded benefits paid for a given calendar year -- not that the excess was put aside. ... Allowing people to opt out of Social Security would force the federal government to admit it has been stealing money from Social Security for decades. ... No matter what politicians promise, Social Security reform will not change the fact that your money is taken from your paycheck and sent to Washington, where it will be spent."
--Rep. Ron Paul

Open query...

"My financial adviser Ric Edelman...thinks the time to start educating people about money is when they are children. He's set up a retirement plan called the RIC-E-Trust that can provide retirement security. A $5,000 one-time tax-deferred investment at birth, with an average interest rate of ten percent compounded, means that a child would have $2.4 million when he or she is 65 years old. Who needs Social Security with that kind of nest egg?"
--Cal Thomas


84 posted on 02/24/2005 5:46:24 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

85 posted on 02/24/2005 5:49:44 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: Rebelbase
"Actually, even if it goes "bankrupt" a few decades from now, the system would still be able to pay about three-quarters of the benefits now promised."

And you can use those benefits to buy a really nice bridge i'm selling.

Yes indeed, and by then fuel for your automobile will be back to ten cents a gallon too.

< /sarcasm>

86 posted on 02/24/2005 5:52:02 AM PST by Budge (<>< Sit Nomen Domini benedictum. <><)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
I found CAOHCAUCSB's picture!!!!

and tombstone!!!!

87 posted on 02/24/2005 5:53:07 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 ("I hate the Republicans and everything they stand for," - Howard Dean 01/29/2005)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB
READY...

AIM...

ZOT!

88 posted on 02/24/2005 5:53:34 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: Calpernia
Yeah, that's his name, albeit it's a much nicer form of him than I've ever seen. He's the main antagonist from the PlayStation game "Final Fantasy VII." He's kind of considered to be the consummate badass as far as video game villains go. :-)


89 posted on 02/24/2005 5:54:26 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy; pookie18
An "unphotoshopped" photo!


90 posted on 02/24/2005 5:57:21 AM PST by add925 (The Left = Xenophobes in Denial)
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To: CAOHCAUCSB

Damn.

Missed the ZOT.

Well, in any event, here's my contribution to the burned BTUs and CPU cycles:

Cold Steel, this is Jammer over.

Jammer, Cold steel, go.

Cold Steel, Jammer, We have a truly lame-brained troll in the open, milling around, at grid MZ124987

Jammer, Cold Steel, 6 rounds DPICM, 6 Rounds WP over.

Cold Steele, Jammer, adjust fire over.

Rounds over........ Rounds out.

ZOT over......... ZOT Out.

Splash over........ Splash Out.

Cold Steel this is Jammer, Target ZOTIFIED.


91 posted on 02/24/2005 5:58:03 AM PST by roaddog727 (The marginal propensity to save is 1 minus the marginal propensity to consume.)
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To: Arrowhead1952

Very nice.


92 posted on 02/24/2005 6:03:18 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: gunnedah

Excellent idea!


93 posted on 02/24/2005 6:03:28 AM PST by Budge (<>< Sit Nomen Domini benedictum. <><)
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To: add925

Too nice for a troll!


94 posted on 02/24/2005 6:03:58 AM PST by Conspiracy Guy (Reading is fundamental. Comprehension is optional.)
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To: add925
Hehehe I am stealing that pic!


95 posted on 02/24/2005 6:04:04 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (French: old Europe word meaning surrender)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING; CAOHCAUCSB; Calpernia
The Cato Institute is holding a series of seminars this week. I'm sure that have some interesting data at their web site.

The institute has stated that SS has no legal obligation to continue to pay benefits as currently provided. The USSC has ruled that SS withholding is only a tax and that the payer has no right to the money. Nixon decided to end the farce of pretending that there was some sort of trust fund.

There are several bills that have been submitted in Congress. The President has started the debate he has not proposed legislation.
96 posted on 02/24/2005 6:19:53 AM PST by Jimmy Valentine's brother ( We need a few more Marines like Lt. Gen. James Mattis)
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To: Flyer

Haha...well it looks like the cat and dog have been 'acquainted' before....they look awfully close and chummy. :)


97 posted on 02/24/2005 6:29:24 AM PST by benice
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To: add925

98 posted on 02/24/2005 6:42:36 AM PST by Allosaurs_r_us (Idaho Carnivores for Conservatism)
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To: Future Snake Eater

So someone besides me finally starts posting FF stuff for ZOT threads (albeit I haven't done it in awhile). :-) Finding Bolt2, Thundaga, etc. pics in a battle have been somewhat challenging.


99 posted on 02/24/2005 6:57:51 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: CAOHCAUCSB
ZOT!!!


100 posted on 02/24/2005 10:04:53 AM PST by Paul_Denton (The UN is UN-American! Get the UN out of the US and US out of the UN! http://asiasec.blogspot.com/)
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