Posted on 02/22/2005 12:46:48 PM PST by Clint N. Suhks
ROME (Reuters) - Homosexual marriages are part of "a new ideology of evil" that is insidiously threatening society, Pope John Paul says in a new book published Tuesday.
In "Memory and Identity," the Pope also calls abortion a "legal extermination" comparable to attempts to wipe out Jews and other groups in the 20th century.
He also reveals that he is convinced the Turkish gunman who shot him in 1981 did not act alone and suggests that the former Communist Bloc may have been behind the plot to kill him.
The 84-year-old Pontiff's book, a highly philosophical and intricate work on the nature of good and evil, is based on conversations with philosopher friends in 1993 and later with some of his aides.
In one section about the role of lawmakers, the Pope takes another swipe at gay marriages when he refers to "pressures" on the European Parliament to allow them.
"It is legitimate and necessary to ask oneself if this is not perhaps part of a new ideology of evil, perhaps more insidious and hidden, which attempts to pit human rights against the family and against man," he writes.
The Pope's fifth book for mass circulation, issued by Italian publisher Rizzoli, sparked controversy in Germany and elsewhere after Jewish groups protested against leaked excerpts comparing the Holocaust to abortion.
In at least two sections of the book, the Pope talks about the Nazi attempt to exterminate Jews and the wholesale slaughter of political opponents by Communist regimes after World War II.
"LEGAL EXTERMINATION"
In following paragraphs he says that legally elected parliaments in formerly totalitarian countries were today allowing what he called new forms of evil and new exterminations.
"There is still, however a legal extermination of human beings who have been conceived but not yet born," he writes.
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The Pope is the ultimate philosopher of today.....He is the Socrates of 2005. He weighs each statement extremely carefully before he publishes.
The ideology of those that support gay marriage is certainly evil because it defies the absolutes and will make moral relativism the "new" ideology. Moral relativism is extremely evil and does not allow for anything to be thought of as "evil". It will lead to more children being raised NOT by their biological father and mother.
To embrace "gay" marriage will demand one to throw out the Bible or to "rewrite" it. Of course, the Pope will say that such an ideology is evil.
Props to the Pope-inator.
*thumbs up*
Obviously, you haven't read anything he wrote ----or you graduated from the publik school system and have poor comprehension skills.
What a bunch of angry, bitter people.
"Obviously, you haven't read anything he wrote ----or you graduated from the publik school system and have poor comprehension skills."
I've read his encyclicals and Crossing the Threshold of Hope. All are indecipherable. If you think otherwise, why not tell me what you think Threshold was trying to say--or Redemptor Hominis, for that matter. Also I have the Ph.D.--not that it matters, but I have pretty good comprehension. The Pope is a poor stylist and uses a great many words to convey too little meaning.
I just finished reading for the third time, Michael Davies' superb book entitled, "Partisans of Error, St. Pius X Against the Modernists." The chronology provides the very fast time line for disposing of the top two miscreants during that segment of history. (E.g. 1903, Pope St. Pius X elected; 1903, five of Loisy's books placed on the Index; 1906, Tyrrell expelled from Jesuits; 1907, The Decree of Lamentabili, Syllabus condemning the errors; Pascendi encyclical condemning Modernism; Tyrrell excommunicated; 1908, Loisy excommunicated.
These actions, in absolutely rapid action, met the pending threats head-on and decapitated the sources of error. It halted what could have been a rampant and massive disintegration of Church authority and leadership at a most fragile time in world history. Pope St. Pius X took the required immediate action, showed the requisite strength of leadership and disposed of the threats.
While I am pleased to read Pope JPII's strong words lambasting homosexual marriage (sic) and his strong condemnation of abortion, I only wish he had started his tenure and continued with forceful action to stop what has been a torrent of scandal inside and outside of the Faith. For example, take the priest homosexual and pedophile abuse scandal that still has not been fully played out. We have yet to see accountability among the ranks of implicated bishops or those bureaucrats in Rome for their complicity and enabling that hid, and ignored, these horrendous corruptions of sin. The recent debacle of GIRM and other liturgical abuses continue as if nothing happened but good during the last forty years. And things only get worse: falling Mass attendance, lack of any sound seminary programs, loss of faith in record numbers, church closings, unprecedented scorn and ridicule heaped upon Church dogma.
Yes, I applaud the Holy Father for his published words during what are likely his waning days. I also pray for him and know the physical pain he has endured since the assassination attempt by the evil empire. I realize, however, the diminished Faith in the World during his time as our leader and what could, nay, should have occurred during this critical period of our history. So many lost souls, so much pain and suffering in this valley of tears, and most importantly in Purgatory and for Eternity because of the lack of pastoral courage and definitive leadership to right the wrongs and deal with Evil.
Just putting things in perspective lest you guys get carried away by a few apt words about gays. Catholics have been too easily gulled in the past by such papal nostrums--duped by the Pope's conservative morality into accepting outrages against the faith like Assisi. And by the way, just for the record--how is it the Pope doesn't back up his words with actions? The last I heard Rome had decided to drop its officially-declared 1961 prohibition against gays entering the seminaries. Granted it was widely ignored anyhow--but it was a good idea, given the scandals that mushroomed following the Council.
No fear of this pope's ever walking on water. No one can achieve great sanctity who doesn't fulfill the primary duty of his station in life. In this case, it was the Pope's primary duty to protect the deposit of faith. He didn't do this. Instead the faith has diminished markably during his pontificate. I'm not surprised mentioning this would annoy his many fans who confuse celebrity with sanctity. It's the truth, however.
"Obviously, you haven't read anything he wrote ----or you graduated from the publik school system and have poor comprehension skills."
So have you ever read a papal "encyclical"? Or is this too great a concept for your "comprehension skills". Jerk.
Seems sensible enough to me, why would Pope John Paul II be against happy guys entering the seminaries?
"John Paul II is far from a liberal in any dimension."
You think allowing witchdoctors to use our sacred altars to pray to their false gods is conservative? Kissing the Koran and apologizing to Islam for the sins of Catholicism is conservative? Allowing a bare-breasted female lector to read the epistle at one of his papal Masses is conservative? Elevating someone who denies the historicity of the Resurrection or the possibility of the Gospel miracles to the cardinalate is conservative? Come again? You think this is my imagination and a misconception about the teachings of Vatican II? I don't think so.
"And by saying that the Catholic Church is a new religion after Vatican II from before, you are stating that you are in schism with the Catholic Church. You cannot deny it."
Of course I deny it. The idea is absurd. And if you don't think what's going on now is not a new religion then you are easily satisfied. Those who know better--a lot better--believe it most certainly IS a new religion, having very little to do with Catholic Tradition, resembling very much its Protestant counterparts both in theology and in liturgy. Sure, it's retained the office of the papacy--but that's about all it has kept. Everything else has been changed--and protestantized. Not that it will ever admit this--but it does all it can to suppress and subvert the dogmas of faith while trashing Tradition. In fact it is what is most Catholic that is most despised. A seminarian who makes visits to the Blessed Sacrament or says the Rosary must do so secretly--or else be booted out. That's just the way it goes these days.
And after this pope, what?
I'm just curious.
Another thread, hijacked by the Lefebvrites while you practice your slash and burn tactics.
Another step in turning the Catholic portion of the religion forum into a trad trailer park.
Miserable, unhappy, angry people.
More evidence of just how far you have distanced yourself from the Catholic Church. You aren't the first person in history to disagree with a Pontiff and you won't be the last. It is okay to agree with those doctrines that match your personal beliefs, without bashing the entire Magisterium in your disdain for certain articles that don't line up with your traditionalist views.
If, as you claim, you pray for the Holy Father each week, at least show some respect, instead of airing dirty laundry in public.
They also pale in comparison to those of the communists murders.
I bet this book reaches # one.
We had a priest tell us not too long ago that the church had no business telling us what to do or not to do in the bedroom.
We changed our parish.
"It is okay to agree with those doctrines that match your personal beliefs, without bashing the entire Magisterium in your disdain for certain articles that don't line up with your traditionalist views."
You are posting nonsense. I don't disagree with doctrines on the basis of "personal beliefs" as you say. It is not my "personal belief" that indifferentism and syncretism are heresies. That is Catholic doctrine. It is John Paul II who doesn't seem to take such doctrines very seriously, not I.
As for "bashing the Magisterium", that is an even sillier charge. It is not "bashing the Magisterium" to say that popes should not be elevating heretics to the cardinalate or that they should not be offering our altars to witchdoctors for worship to false gods. It's not my fault the Pope himself does these things--and much else equally as heterodox.
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