Virginia Man Charged With Conspiring to Assassinate President Bush

AP/ABC ^ | Feb 22, 2005 | MATTHEW BARAKAT

[cake_crumb]

" There are some 'Christian Identity' type groups here that encourage violence, for instance."

When they declare war and commit an act of war that would become relevant. Until then, it's relativism.

[cyncooper]

I would like them to stop stressing it in every paragraph of every article. It's being used as a keyphrase to obscure any other facts which come to light later in the case.

I disagree. I think it is extremely important that we get it in our heads that all the hyperventilating over the border (yes, I am for securing the borders) and here is (yet another) a born and raised American who set off to join al Qaeda. Ignore this salient bit of info at your peril.

[CitizenM]

"He was tortured," Nubani told the court. "He has the evidence on his back. He was whipped. He was handcuffed for days at a time."

"When Nubani offered to show the judge his back, O'Grady said that Abu Ali might be able to enter that as evidence on Thursday at a detention hearing."

Oh, you mean those self-inficted, or purposely created by co-terrorists scars to offer as (phoney) evidence? And we should take pity on you for your suffering, right?

Ok...let's get a doctor to look at those scars. It will be easy to ascertain if they healed with the assistance of proper treatment (i.e. "clean") as would happen if they were "staged" and he was whipped just to give some authenticity to his supposed suffering claims.

Or, was he left without proper care while the wounds festered and healed improperly - as would happen if the whippings were truly done by ones who wanted to cause harm and left him to suffer with no treatment to the areas.

[cyncooper]

Was he born here or just doing the jobs Americans refuse to do?

Born here.

So your latter point is moot in this case.

[sarah_f]

Excellent point. Another filthy arab muslim terrorist and "palestinian."

[cyncooper]

Yeah, another lousy foreigner taking another american job. There are plenty of out of work democrats who would be more than willing to shoot Bush.

He's (God help us) American.

[AmericanInTokyo]

It appears (and I may be too lazy to see if others posted it) but C.A.I.R. tried to spring this guy from prison, sending letters (ironically enough) to President Bush to get him out of prison.

[null and void]

Indeed. From your keyboard to GODS eyes...

[jriemer]

"Mr. Nubani is licensed to practice Law in New York and Virginia, and specializes in immigration law. He has worked on many high profile cases, including: Global Relief Foundation

"The U.S. Court of Appeals in Chicago (7th Cir.) last week affirmed a lower court's dismissal of a libel lawsuit by an Islamic charity against six media organizations and eight reporters. The court found that the media organizations' news stories about the government investigating the Global Relief Foundation for possible ties to terrorism were substantially true." RCFP - 12/7/2004

[null and void]

*snrk*

[AmericanInTokyo]

It appears he was detained in Saudi before 9-11. Something like June 2001 if I am not mistaken.

[AmericanInTokyo]

But I probably AM mistaken.!!

[hiredhand]

How does this guy's (claimed) torture by the Saudis make him any less responsible?

I can think of a million excuses for a time when people are standing before a judge....

Let's think about standing before a grand jury to be indicted on charges of conspiring to kill the President. What are ya going to say?

I was raised in poverty!
My parents were drug abusers!
I have a drug addiction!
I was ridiculed by my peers all through high school!

..and the list goes on and on and on...in ad nauseum.

No....the sad fact is that this kid is a "Rod'er" (Religion of Death'er) and he thinks our beloved Commander in Chief is evil and needs to die.

I hate to break the news, but statistically, and historically, people who are taken into custody for the charges levied against him don't usually gain their freedom back any time soon.

BUT now this young man is firmly in the hand of his enemy! May God grant wisdom and dilligence to our U.S. Secret Service!

If what this kid says about the Saudis is true, then he knows if he had been charged similarly in Saudi Arabia, he would soon be dead. He "should" contrast this to the justice and mercy that he is receiving even now, here in this great nation of ours. But I doubt he will. I hope they roast his hatefull little carcass, but that's just me.

[Professional Engineer]

No, it's not.

Just an alternate the ole ping.

[cake_crumb]

"I think it is extremely important that we get it in our heads that all the hyperventilating over the border (yes, I am for securing the borders) and here is (yet another) a born and raised American who set off to join al Qaeda."

That did occur to me and I'm for securing the borders too. What we actually seem to be disagreeing over is not the reporting of his native country but the way in which the media is stressing it.

[cyncooper]

Really. That's the charity that Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald charges that New York Times report Philip Shenon tipped off that a raid of their offices was imminent:

TIMESMAN TIPPED OFF TERROR CHARITY: FEDS (NY Times Correspondent Accused)

Incidentally, his colleague, Judith Miller, who was just found in contempt in the Plame case is also wanted for testimony in the Shenon investigation.

excerpt:

September 29, 2004 -- The Justice Department has charged that a veteran New York Times foreign correspondent warned an alleged terror-funding Islamic charity that the FBI was about to raid its office — potentially endangering the lives of federal agents.

The stunning accusation was disclosed yesterday in legal papers related to a lawsuit the Times filed in Manhattan federal court.

The suit seeks to block subpoenas from the Justice Department for phone records of two of its Middle Eastern reporters — Philip Shenon and Judith Miller — as part of a probe to track down the leak.

The Times last night flatly denied the allegation.

U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald of Chicago charged in court papers that Shenon blew the cover on the Dec. 14, 2001, raid of the Global Relief Foundation — the first charges of their kind under broad new investigatory powers given to the feds under the Patriot Act.

"It has been conclusively established that Global Relief Foundation learned of the search from reporter Philip Shenon of The New York Times," Fitzgerald said in an Aug. 7, 2002, letter to the Times' legal department.

He said he understood journalists' concerns about protecting the identities of their sources, but national security and preventing leaks that thwart probes into "terrorist fund-raising" trump such confidentiality.

~snip~

[null and void]

I have no problem with telling the sheep that we now have a native born 5^th Column.

[pitinkie]

Yes of course CAIR is involved in trying to set free all the muslims arrested on terrorism charges..all wrongfully imprisoned.

[hispanarepublicana]

I'm currently playing a C-span video link of this hearing, but I'm not having any luck finding a transcript:
Full Participant List for Post 9-11 “Citizen Hearing” on Status of Civil Rights & Liberties Chaired By Rep. John Conyers
Date Posted: Tuesday, October 12, 2004

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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
..: Muslim American Society :..
October 12, 2004 PRESS RELEASE
MEDIA ADVISORY

Full Participant List for Post 9-11 “Citizen Hearing” on Status of Civil Rights & Liberties Chaired By Rep. John
(Washington, DC) - Congressman John Conyers (D-MI) will hold a public “Citizen Hearing” on the status of Civil Rights and Liberties Post 9-11. The hearing is scheduled for Wednesday, October 13, from 1:00pm to 3:00pm in the Rayburn House Building, Room 2237.
The participants are as follows:
Mahdi Bray, Executive Director MAS Freedom Foundation
Kit Gage, Executive Director NCARL
Kate Martin, Director Center for National Security Studies
Hilary O. Shelton, Director of Washington Bureau NAACP
Laura Murphy, Executive Director of ACLU
Ron Daniel, Executive Director for the Center of Constitutional Rights
Reverend Walter Fauntroy, former member of congress
Sikh Media and Resource Taskforce
Jim Ferg-Cadia, Mexican-American Legal Defense and Educational Fund
Bilal Mahmoud, Victim and Vietnam Veteran
TASMEEN ABU ALI, sister of American political prisoner AHMED ABU ALI
Hadia Mubarak, President of Muslim Student Association-National
Reverend Walden Gaddy, Interfaith Alliance
Rabbi Arthur Waskow of the Shalom Center
Professor David Cole; Georgetown, University Law Professor
Dr. Esam Omeish, President of the Muslim American Society
The ADC.
The hearing will receive testimony from national civil rights organizations, legal scholars, activists, religious and lay leaders, as well as prominent citizens and victims, and family members who have suffered as a direct result of post 9-11 governmental policies. The hearing will focus on the erosion of civil rights and highlight positive solutions and activities: what could best be classified as “best practices”.
WHO: Post 9-11 Civil Rights Coalition
WHAT: Citizen Hearing on civil rights and liberties post 9-11
WHERE: Capitol Hill Rayburn Caucus Room # 2237
WHEN: Wednesday, October 13, 2004, 1:00 p.m. until 3:00 p.m.
CONTACT: Mahdi Bray (202) 421-3623 or (202) 496-1288
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*The Freedom Foundation is the public affairs arm of the Muslim American Society (MAS), a national grassroots religious, social, and educational organization. Learn more at www.masnet.org.
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MAS Freedom Foundation
1050 17th Street NW #600
Washington, DC 20036
Tel: (202) 496-1288
Fax: (202) 463-0686
URL: http://www.masnet.org/index_publicaffairs.asp
Email: freedom@masnet.org

[Hatteras]

"A former high school valedictorian in Virginia..."

I bet he was also a milk monitor in kindergarten and always volunteered to clean the chalk boards after school and reminded teachers when they forgot to mention the evening's homework assignment. Suck ups. Gotta watch those guys, it's the power. It goes right to their heads.