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Intelligent Denials: Bush's science adviser defends evolution!
The American Prospect, ^ | 22 February 2005 | Chris Mooney

Posted on 02/22/2005 7:34:15 AM PST by PatrickHenry

When it's your job to serve as the president's in-house expert on science and technology, being constantly in the media spotlight isn't necessarily a mark of distinction. But for President Bush's stoically inclined science adviser John Marburger, immense controversy followed his blanket dismissal last year of allegations (now endorsed by 48 Nobel laureates) that the administration has systematically abused science. So it was more than a little refreshing last Wednesday to hear Marburger take a strong stance against science politicization and abuse on one issue where it really matters: evolution.

Speaking at the annual conference of the National Association of Science Writers, Marburger fielded an audience question about "Intelligent Design" (ID), the latest supposedly scientific alternative to Charles Darwin's theory of descent with modification. The White House's chief scientist stated point blank, "Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory." And that's not all -- as if to ram the point home, Marburger soon continued, "I don't regard Intelligent Design as a scientific topi."

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I'm not sure the whole article can be copied here, so please go to the link to read it all:
Chris Mooney, "Intelligent Denials", The American Prospect Online, Feb 22, 2005.

(Excerpt) Read more at prospect.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: bush; crevolist; johnmarburger; marburger; science
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To: nevergore

LOL.

Even more basic.

Why are there still FISH?

Is that really your best argument against evolution?


41 posted on 02/22/2005 8:09:37 AM PST by dmz
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To: The Mike Device
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Like this pic of IVY MIKE at detonation...


42 posted on 02/22/2005 8:11:54 AM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: nevergore
If we evolved from monkeys....
How come there are still monkeys?

If all humans are direct decendants of Adam and Eve...
Then How come we don't all look alike?

43 posted on 02/22/2005 8:12:04 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: mlc9852
Makes it much easier to explain evolution, doesn't it?

Nope. It's just a statement of reality. The TOE has never required that a precursor species die off when a new species arose.

What makes you think that an ancestor species would have to die out when a new species came about?

44 posted on 02/22/2005 8:13:10 AM PST by Modernman ("Normally, I don't listen to women, or doctors." - Captain Hero)
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To: PatrickHenry


She blinded me with science!


45 posted on 02/22/2005 8:13:43 AM PST by pharmamom (Ping me, Baby.)
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To: crail
So speaks the evo-Pope and his evo-Cardinals! Why can't ID even be considered by the mock-scientists of our age? Because Evolution (that classical TOE "Evolution" with no desinger, no constant tuning and sustain by that designer) only stands as unchallengeable dogma.

The Holy Church of Rome in the Dark Ages equally denied all upstarts and challenges any validity at all.

How does it feel to be with the new Dark Agers?

46 posted on 02/22/2005 8:13:47 AM PST by bvw
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To: Heartlander
Well, GWB is a member of the United Methodist Church, and so if his views come from there, here they are:

Science and Technology

Space

The universe, known and unknown, is the creation of God and is due the respect we are called to give the earth.

Science and Technology

We recognize science as a legitimate interpretation of God’s natural world. We affirm the validity of the claims of science in describing the natural world, although we preclude science from making authoritative claims about theological issues.* We recognize technology as a legitimate use of God’s natural world when such use enhances human life and enables all of God’s children to develop their God-given creative potential without violating our ethical convictions about the relationship of humanity to the natural world.

In acknowledging the important roles of science and technology, however, we also believe that theological understandings of human experience are crucial to a full understanding of the place of humanity in the universe. Science and theology are complementary rather than mutually incompatible. We therefore encourage dialogue between the scientific and theological communities and seek the kind of participation that will enable humanity to sustain life on earth and, by God’s grace, increase the quality of our common lives together.

You were saying?

* underscore added

48 posted on 02/22/2005 8:14:06 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


49 posted on 02/22/2005 8:15:13 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Modernman

Why would some monkeys evolve into humans and not others? What caused the jump?


50 posted on 02/22/2005 8:15:19 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: crail
Crap, I shoulda put up a like to that site... for you creationists. Here are the arguments even creationists think are dumb: Arguments we think creationists should NOT use

Why do I keep seeing these arguments. The word from the top is don't use them if your a creationist.
51 posted on 02/22/2005 8:15:36 AM PST by crail (Better lives have been lost on the gallows than have ever been enshrined in the halls of palaces.)
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To: Heartlander
United Methodist Church source link
52 posted on 02/22/2005 8:15:41 AM PST by AntiGuv (™)
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To: AntiGuv

How very mainstream Christian. Shocking!


53 posted on 02/22/2005 8:16:07 AM PST by PatrickHenry (<-- Click on my name. The List-O-Links for evolution threads is at my freeper homepage.)
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To: liberateUS
Yeah.

There are philosophical and religious implications to Darwinism. You cannot avoid that in this subject. Intelligent Design draws conclusions from the very same data Darwinism draws conclusions -- just different conclusions. The fact that ID has philosophical and religious implications is what bugs the Darwinists so much. But their theory does the same thing. They like it BECAUSE it leaves out God. But it also elevates all other animals to our level. If we share a common ancestor then they are our equals. That lowers us as much as it elevates them. They may try to say that our greater abilities explains our greater value. But the implication of that is that disabled humans, those with low IQ's or otherwise flawed people have lesser worth than their physically superior counters. You can't escape it.

54 posted on 02/22/2005 8:16:43 AM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Legislatures are so outdated. If you want real politcal victory, take your issue to court.)
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To: Zivasmate
"As was posted yesterday, the perfection of creation negates all the arguments of the evolutionists..."

Then how do you explain all the evidence for the TOE?(available on PatrickHenry's homepage)

55 posted on 02/22/2005 8:16:51 AM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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To: Zivasmate
most of this country is in the pro-creation camp

Source please. In all the polls I have ever seen, most of the country in fact believes evolution occurred. Opinion is divided as to whether evolution occurs with or without Divine guidance.

57 posted on 02/22/2005 8:18:38 AM PST by stremba
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To: crail
How do you suppose they became isolated? If there are isolated tribes of humans say in the Andes, what are the chances they will devolve into monkeys? What about primates isolated in a deep forest somewhere - what would cause them to evolve into humans?
58 posted on 02/22/2005 8:19:10 AM PST by mlc9852
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To: PatrickHenry

You should examine your sources more carefully. John Marburger is a physicist with a specialty in optics and laser studies. (shouldn't you scrutinize all scientists, not just the ID advocates) He is also a lifelong Democrat.
The author of this piece thinks Kyoto is just wonderful, and distorts the discussion of embryonic stem cell research


59 posted on 02/22/2005 8:19:46 AM PST by almcbean
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
"Intelligent Design draws conclusions from the very same data Darwinism draws conclusions -- just different conclusions"

Incorrect. ID/creationism draws the conclusion of an Intelligent Designer, for which no positive evidence exists. That conclusion is a "leap of faith".

The TOE, and all science, can only use positive evidence.

60 posted on 02/22/2005 8:21:00 AM PST by Long Cut (The Constitution...the NATOPS of America!)
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