Posted on 02/17/2005 9:47:00 AM PST by rit
SAN FRANCISCO — Believe it or not, a Windows Web server is more secure than a similarly set-up Linux server, according to a study presented yesterday by two Florida researchers.
The researchers, appearing at the RSA Conference of computer-security professionals, discussed the findings in an event, "Security Showdown: Windows vs. Linux." One of them, a Linux fan, runs an open-source server at home; the other is a Microsoft enthusiast. They wanted to cut through the near-religious arguments about which system is better from a security standpoint.
"I actually was wrong. The results are very surprising, and there are going to be some people who are skeptical," said Richard Ford, a computer-science professor at the Florida Institute of Technology who favors Linux.
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Those who don't show any independent thought. Because M$ is a big American business, then it's their right to support them in any way possible, no questions asked. And if another American company produces something that many think is better, it must be put down at all costs without question in favor of the almighty Microsoft. Those are the clones to which I reference - the Microsoft clones.
What? Hollywood and Microsoft never have gotten along. LOL, you guys are a joke, one fanciful reason after another while Microsoft will die, which never, ever pan out. They announce record profits every year dude, they might drop one day but they sure haven't yet.
I'm telling you Linux is about a year or two away from taking over the consumer market. The OS is sweet and only needs a little fine tuning and more good gui based programs and MS is toast.
I'm all for US companies coming up with something better, wish they would at the same price point. But no, foreign fakes like Linux of American products like Unix DO NOT COUNT, not in my book, whether International Business Machines is pushing it or not. IBM was more than happy to point out last year that the majority of their employees are no longer in the US, when they laid off Americans last year. Maybe the Mac Mini will catch on, if it does, I might buy one, I've owned several Apple computers before going back to the ][+.
FYI, you aren't the first little bo peep to make that prediction, I've been hearing it myself since the 90's, when lots of people lost lots of money on VA Linux. You need to confer with some real experts, there's no one predicting any significant increase for linux on the desktop, anytime soon. If you want something different than MS on the desktop, place your money on Apple, although I won't be placing mine there anytime soon. But at least they have a product that's cracked the door of Best Buy, although I don't think Circuit City lets them in at all, at least not right now.
Believe what you want, even Apple has lowered their prices comparable to the PC. They had a great run while it lasted. Longhorn will probably doom them.
Good, they needed to. MS+Dell have set the standard for capability per dollar. But I would instantly recommend an Apple desktop over a Linux one, even knowing it cost more. Reliable, elegant, and lots of commercial off the shelf applications available.
They had a great run while it lasted. Longhorn will probably doom them.
Based on what, your personal dislike of them? They may not have people camping outside the stores like they did in 95, but there are a lot more people interested in the next new version of Windows than any other operating system in existence. You don't get 90+% of market by accident, and when the "Longhorn only" games and apps show up, there will be plenty of people willing to pay almost anything for them.
I liked MS until I started reading more stories about security and built in malware. Seems MS is cashing in on writing malware into the OS. I am getting tired of having products forced on me through the OS that I don't want. You'll see what I'm talking about within two years, Linux is going to be the OS of Chinese made PC's, China, I think is working on writing their own OS.
How about some examples, johnny wolf?
You'll see what I'm talking about within two years, Linux is going to be the OS of Chinese made PC's, China, I think is working on writing their own OS.
LOL, China is making free copies of Red Hat Linux and renaming them Red Flag, which is now their official O/S. That doesn't mean the US desktop market is interested in running either, they sure aren't now. It was just last year that Red Hat's CEO recommended Windows on the desktop, and not much has changed since then. Nor will it until commercial software vendors and peripheral manufacturers can turn a profit on Linux, which is unlikely since the free software mob refuses to pay for anything.
Funny, I switched my dad's computer from W2K over to Mandrake Linux 10.x. Showed him what icons to click for web browsing, e-mail, word processing and spreadsheets.
Oh, and solitare. Gotta have solitare.
Haven't had any complaints, problems or issues (virus', spyware etc.) from him on it since. The systems only been down due to power outages that ran longer than the UPS could power.
I don't know where everybody gets the idea that to use Linux you have to be proficient in command line, bash programing or tweeking the kernel. Yes all those options (power) is there and more, but if my 79 year old, computer illiterate dad can use it, anyone can.
Might work for your dad but it wouldn't work for mine. He may be 80 years old but he still has lots of advanced peripherals, and loves to shop for new software over at Office Depot. I hope I'm still going as strong as him when *I* get that age. So far so good, LOL.
Strangely enough I know some Linux/Unix people exactly like that. Small world, huh?
I put Mandrake 10.0 on my home PC and had a HELL of a time ... mostly due to inexperience with Linux.
I am putting Mandrake on another PC and want to avoid the problems I had installing it. It will be Win XP on one drive and Mandrake on another drive along with a FAT32 share partition.
I am giving about 30 gigs in a partition for Mandrake on this drive. I already set the Fat32 for 70 gigs. Any suggestions of how I should divide this space during the install when it asks how I want to allocate it?
What I mean is how much for boot/swap/usr (or whatever is recommended) and in what order would be best?
"We have had tons of security holes in Linux in the past 12 months alone, but we still keep seeing these boasts about "never had any security problems on my Linux box" from open source fanatics on this board all the time, something which is not backed up by the facts, as in this from your own open source loving slashdot:"
I don't give a hoot what Slashdot has to say. I don't read it. I also don't really care what you have to say about it. My own experience and knowledge contradicts your assertions. Did you even hear me when I said I run a combination of FreeBSD, OpenBSD, Linux and Windows? Do you think you're educating me by posting quotes from Slashdot and industry articles? I know what works for me, and I understand security, and I keep up with what's going on just fine without you, thanks all the same. The biggest point is this: security depends on understanding of the technology you're using. People who don't understand Linux and try to run it securely as a server without any understanding of it will likely have a system that's as insecure as a Windows machine running IIS on the internet with no securty updates or firewall. Running a Linux box with basic configuration isn't how I run it, nor does anyone I know, and that was the test case in this article. Finally, I didn't come to the decisions about what I was going to use from posts on Slashdot or here, and that includes your posts.
Ok I am following you so far..
Microsoft .NET's Common Language Runtime, its OLE DB data provider technology, and its top-of-the-line XML and XML Web Services capabilities give it the ability to run applications that can interact with many other types of applications installed almost anywhere else.
So does perl, php, and Java. Things built with a UNIX philsophy can interact with any other applicaion. This is not something invented (or even done best) by MS.
I put Mandrake 10.0 on my home PC and had a HELL of a time ... mostly due to inexperience with Linux.
I am putting Mandrake on another PC and want to avoid the problems I had installing it. It will be Win XP on one drive and Mandrake on another drive along with a FAT32 share partition.
I am giving about 30 gigs in a partition for Mandrake on this drive. I already set the Fat32 for 70 gigs. Any suggestions of how I should divide this space during the install when it asks how I want to allocate it?
What I mean is how much for boot/swap/usr (or whatever is recommended) and in what order would be best?
A couple of years ago I had to install Windows .Net (now Win 2003) on a server. After installation it required you to call a number to activate the OS before you could use it. The guy who answered the phone informed me in broken English that he had NO idea what I was talking about. His supervisor also had no clue and they had no way to transfer me to someone who could help. And this was the number that was printed right on the screen!
I pitched it at that point and never tried again.
So long as the app has an API interface, yes it can..
Can a Java app on a UNIX server interact (two way) with an SPSS app on a mainframe?
Yes infact we do some of that at my shop, our Java guys are pretty sharp. There is a company called openconnedt that sells such products as well.
Can a php app on a UNIX server call any procedural code (RPG, COBOL, etc.) on a second, remote server (other than the one on which the php app is installed) in which Java is not enabled?
Yes so long as the other serve is listening for it, mind you directly calling is an aweful idea and leads to security mess later down the road..
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