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Do smokers have any rights?
eco-logic Powerhouse.com ^ | February 15, 2005 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 02/15/2005 8:24:48 AM PST by SheLion

Do people who enjoy smoking have any rights? Increasingly, the answer is no. It is essential to keep in mind that smoking cigarettes, cigars, or pipes is an entirely personal choice. No one is required to smoke. Millions voluntarily stop smoking every year. People have been smoking, and enjoying tobacco products for a very long time, but now they have been demonized and ostracized.

Using the power of government, to tax, smokers are being ripped off at every level. Recently, New York City sent letters to 2,300 residents giving them thirty days to pay the taxes on the cartons of cigarettes they had purchased over the Internet. It's the law.

A single pack of cigarettes in New York City comes with a state tax of $1.50, a city tax of $1.50, and a federal tax of 39 cents. A pack of Marlboro cigarettes will cost you $7.00. A ten-pack carton will cost you more than $55.00. Purchased at an international airport's duty-free store, the same carton retails for just $16.00.

There are few, if any, people who do not know there is an element of risk involved in the decision to smoke. There is risk involved when any American gets into his car and goes anywhere. Driving kills over 40,000 Americans every year. It is the price we pay for the mobility, and other benefits cars and vehicles provide. There is, in fact, risk in every human activity, including the enjoyment of alcoholic beverages and even the simple act of eating.

The U.S. engaged in a hugely failed experiment, called Prohibition, to stop people from drinking alcoholic beverages at their favorite saloon. It took a Constitutional amendment to end it. For many years now, the same thinking that imposed Prohibition has been at work to achieve the same outcome with smoking.

It is un-American in the most profound sense of that term. In a nation founded on the individual right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, preventing people from the enjoyment of smoking runs contrary to the inherent right to enjoy this lifestyle option if you want.

Consider, however, some events in 2004. The first worldwide antismoking treaty - the Framework Convention on Tobacco Control (FCTC) - was ratified, and is now in effect. It is yet another example of the United Nation's intention to control every aspect of the lives of everyone on planet Earth. Action on Smoking and Health (ASH) is the lead organization in America, and it has promised to "now concentrate on enforcement efforts."

During 2004, six nations imposed a no-smoking ban. Among them were Ireland, New Zealand, Norway, and Sweden. These nations are notable for their liberal, i.e., socialist political agendas. Here in the U.S., so-called "nonsmoker's rights" became law in Idaho, Massachusetts, and Rhode Island. At the local level, thirty-two jurisdictions passed comprehensive workplace smoking laws in 2004, along with "less comprehensive smokefree workplace laws."

There's more. Eleven States, including Virginia, where historically tobacco was the crop that encouraged its establishment and growth as an American colony, substantially increased their cigarette taxes. Consider the example of New York City, and multiply it by other cities and states, cashing in, while at the same time, banning smoking, indoors and out. That is obscene.

Now imagine a similar level of taxation on a candy bar, a cup of coffee, or soft drink. Think it can't happen? Think again.

ASH has big plans for 2005. It plans to "take advantage of a new ruling which now makes it possible for sensitive nonsmokers to sue states which do not provide them with reasonable protection from tobacco smoke pollution."

These suits will eventually cost taxpayers millions, draining vital financial resources from serious needs such as infrastructure improvements. ASH will push for more and more bans, on people who smoke outdoors on beaches, and elsewhere. In California, it is already against the law to light up on the beach.

Let's say you've just bought a condo, or moved to an apartment. ASH intends to encourage and assist lawsuits by apartment dwellers who object to neighbors smoking in their own apartments. In the name of protecting children, ASH will pursue laws that ban parents from smoking around their children, by getting courts to issue orders to ban smoking in custody cases, or by a foster parent, or in a car, while driving children anywhere.

All this is happening in the "land of the free, and the home of the brave," as well as around the world, where the U.N. antismoking treaty bans any advertising for tobacco products, requires health warning labels similar to those on products sold in the U.S., bans any secondhand smoke in workplaces, public transport, and indoor public places.

It empowers a vast law enforcement program against smuggling, and there will be smuggling, leading to cartels that rival illegal drugs. There's more, but the ultimate objective is to eliminate smoking anywhere on the face of the Earth.

This is pure fascism - using the power of the state to deny this simple pleasure from being enjoyed anywhere. And, when the national and global antismoking campaign is successful, these same people will turn their attention to banning the consumption of meat, fish, cookies, candy, potato chips, soft drinks, or anything else they decide you should not enjoy.

Do smokers have any rights? Apparently not.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
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To: notigar

"What, are you against getting kids of of abusive houses?"

Yes, when "abuse" is arbitrarily defined by nanny staters. What will you do when christianity is considered abusive to children? It teaches hate speech don't ya know.


201 posted on 02/16/2005 6:24:54 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: notigar

"hey, how about I buy your kids a few packs of smokes, will that make you happy?"

What an enlightened response. Have you ever had to find the root cause to any problem? Do you understand the difference between a symptom and a root cause?


202 posted on 02/16/2005 6:26:30 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: Raycpa

"Of course I do. You do to."

No I don't, and if you ever ventured into threads outside of this subject you would probably know that.


203 posted on 02/16/2005 6:27:33 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: CSM

Of course I know the difference.

And you may call it an unenlightened response, but then so is "put your money where your mouth is." And I think that's a classic.


204 posted on 02/16/2005 6:36:21 AM PST by notigar
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To: CSM

I don't think bodily harm is arbitrary.


205 posted on 02/16/2005 6:39:36 AM PST by notigar
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To: notigar

You have yet to show that bodily harm exists as a direct result of SHS.


206 posted on 02/16/2005 6:57:12 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: CSM

lets make it even "simpler" than me proving SHS causes bodily harm. You think kids should smoke? If not, why not?


207 posted on 02/16/2005 7:04:11 AM PST by notigar
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To: notigar

Nice try. Direct smoking is different than SHS. This discussion is regarding SHS.


208 posted on 02/16/2005 7:10:27 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: CSM

I guess explaining why kids shouldn't smoke, but sitting in a room full of it is ok, is beyond your skill.


209 posted on 02/16/2005 7:15:25 AM PST by notigar
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To: notigar

I've never seen any room that is full of smoke. I'm doubtful anything could survive in a room full of smoke.


210 posted on 02/16/2005 7:17:31 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: CSM

well, when I was in school, not only did we survive, but ate vociferously afterwards. Adios.


211 posted on 02/16/2005 7:24:57 AM PST by notigar
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To: CSM

You do not object to anything your neighbor does to his propterty or his children ?


212 posted on 02/16/2005 7:35:06 AM PST by Raycpa
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To: notigar

"well, when I was in school, not only did we survive,.."

Then the room was not FULL of smoke.


213 posted on 02/16/2005 7:53:20 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: CSM

Ok, where's the sense of humor, RJR?


214 posted on 02/16/2005 8:10:07 AM PST by notigar
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To: Raycpa

"You do not object to anything your neighbor does to his propterty or his children ?"

I do not object to anything that does not cause harm to my property or any children.


215 posted on 02/16/2005 8:40:18 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: notigar

Based on your other posts, it is hard to identify when you are joking. Sorry I missed it.


216 posted on 02/16/2005 8:41:13 AM PST by CSM ("I just started shooting," said Gloria Doster, 56. "I was trying to blow his brains out ....")
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To: notigar
You forgot athlete's foot and pimples.

You obviously have no clue as to the difference between effect and illness.

Lumping together all neuroses makes it impossible to have a rational discussion.

No scientifically valid connection between second hand smoke outside and illnesses has ever been documented, and God knows, they have ben trying for over 50 years...

217 posted on 02/16/2005 8:48:02 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Publius6961

who lumped anything together? the CDC? Argue with them. and I must've missed the demarcation between indoor and outdoor SHS made on this thread, until you just did it. what exactly are you trying to say?


218 posted on 02/16/2005 9:44:12 AM PST by notigar
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To: CSM

text is a medium with many flaws.


219 posted on 02/16/2005 9:45:04 AM PST by notigar
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To: CSM
I do not object to anything that does not cause harm to my property or any children.

Then you and I agree.

220 posted on 02/16/2005 10:27:51 AM PST by Raycpa
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