Posted on 02/15/2005 6:44:11 AM PST by dennisw
I think the reality is likely more along the lines that He isn't getting applicants he considers qualified. Right now, there are no jobs in my area available here because they've been offshored - given to foreigners to service our industry here (while it's still here anyway). The practical reality is that most do not want to go back into the IT sector now because they have been burnt once already and see the writing on the wall. Others don't longer want anything to do with corporations. The reasons for absence of "qualified" workers are varied and objectively as much the fault of the businesses as that of the market.
When you break supply and demand in the local market, then want to use the damage done as a further excuse for destroying it altogether while playing inoccent.. I can't say that is necessarily the case here; but, I also can't say the mention of having jobs that can't be filled is more than mere rhetoric. People are sitting on unemployment for six months at a time right now because no jobs are available. Doing so when jobs are available is the exception, not the rule. And saying jobs exist when people can't find them doesn't make it so. Bin Ladin punched our economy pretty hard on 9/11. When the economy stood back up, the free traders sucker punched it and have been backslapping it and the commentators every since hoping we'll mistake the damage for health. When you throw a fight for profit, the tendancy is to defend the profit and ensure nobody questions the propriety of having thrown the fight while the evidence is there in front of everyone. Traitor is a word being properly applied for a reason. It isn't a slur, it is merely a proper application that fits the facts. And there is going to be a price paid for it.
Quote: " Find something else to do, move, go to China and work for 25 cents."
If that is the case why even have any loyalty to the US??? With "madawgs" attitude why even fight for the USA's way of life and protections (Bill of rights, constitution etc)
His argument (like most on the left) will change when it breaks down and does not support his theory. His theory is Free Trade=Bad Protectionist/Keynesian/Socialist economics=Good.
Congress lowered taxes more money was freed up and the job market grew. Before that it was Free Markets lost us Jobs. Now that argument left it is the kind of jobs now and people have to have three of them to survive. Then you point out that surviving doesn't mean you need two 40 thousand dollar autos and house with a mortgage over 300 thousand bucks and the argument changes again.
Businesses operate on one theory alone: Profits. The Left and Unions have loaded down American businesses with government regulations and employment rules to the point that many are finding it more profitable to go somewhere else to make more profit EVEN WHEN ADDING IN THE COSTS OF MOVING GOODS ACROSS VAST DISTANCES.
The three main rules in business used to be:
1. Location
2. Location
3. Location.
Now it is:
1. Avoid Regulation
2. Avoid Regulation
3. Avoid Regulation.
Want to fix outsourcing? Make it more profitable for businesses to set up shop in America. Not by making government rules but by getting government out of the way.
Most days I do. I have worked 12 hour days by choice since my first supervisory/management position in 82. I find that way I can get more done and still have time to goof off like Freeping. 6 am to 8 am is prime for getting way ahead of the day..
Wow, you mean government intervention in the Free Market has caused unintended consequences?
Astonishing, isn't it?
If I had to pump gas for a living I'd do it and smile about it too. I came into the world with nothing and I still have most of it! Success is relative. My relatives have all the success and aint givin me none. I hate them all and I will moon them at the family reunion.
German jobless hits Nazi-era highs"
I guess they didn't succeed then. Should we take that as a warning of what could happen here if we don't learn from their experience?
Nope, wrong again (as usual). You claim the right to use foreign labor, at rates that are illegal in the USA, to produces goods and services for the US market. You then absolve yourself of all social responsibility for the resulting poverty and call that a conservative world view. hahahaha, to add to your short sightedness you fail to recognize that your economic system is a short cut to fascism, communistiism, feudalism that will either enshare you or your prodigy.
No, not as you state it. They are to defend you from foreign nations VIOLATING your rights. Not to mention violation from domestic people too. Do you advocate that the government "protect" you from your neighbors who would work for less as well?
Why should I be forced into poverty by being forced to compete with labor rates that would be illegal in the USA?
This is so pathetic I don't even know where to start.
And the illegal comment implies that you agree that government should set prices, Yes or no?
He does not even realize the depths of his irony.
"Wow, you mean ",p>Typical of a bot, dodge a plain and simple question. Well I we have met the limit of your intellectual honesty. Then about to lose the debate, dodge, spin, ridicule but by all means attempt to change to direction of the conversation. How so very typical of the bots on this site.
"I would rather hire good technical people with solid basic technical skills. They may not have the experience on the specific technology, but I would be confident that after a week or two of ramping up, they would probably be more productive than someone who has the specific experience, but poor general technical skills.
Again, not saying that this is your case, but I have seen this too many times."
Agreed, I run a web-development/database marketing company. The "hot shot" tech guys with the major experience do not integrate well into business philosophy of customers and deadlines. Instead, I have found they will quit on a seconds notice with attitude and steal data assets. Now I go for the mid-level guys hungry for a permanent home that can actually help me produce a profit, not a headache.
Nonsense. And it gets thrown around here quite a bit by cowards hiding behind keyboards on the net. Anyone calling me a traitor to my face will need dental work.
We as a nation learned the evils of unrestrained capitalism in post civil war USA so yes I believe that government has a role to play in preventing a return to 1880's sweat shops, child labor shops, and monopolies. If a producers gain a prices advantage by using labor rates that would be illegal in the nation then the nation has an OBLIGATION to lay duties on those products equal too, if not greater then the advantage gained by the illegal labor rates.
So you support the government setting prices? You seem to have problems answering that. You and all the rest of those on this thread who keep ignoring it.
You then absolve yourself of all social responsibility for the resulting poverty and call that a conservative world view.
I never called anything a conservative world view. And I have no responsibility to see to it that people in other countries starve so you can buy another car.
hahahaha, to add to your short sightedness you fail to recognize that your economic system is a short cut to fascism, communistiism, feudalism that will either enshare you or your prodigy.
Hard to say what all this nonsensical misspelled crap means.
Quote: Nonsense. And it gets thrown around here quite a bit by cowards hiding behind keyboards on the net. Anyone calling me a traitor to my face will need dental work.
20 years from now people with your views on selling out the American worker without moral consequence WILL be viewed as a traitor. BTW: I would not do too much boasting on your last line. I know many guys that would take you up on it.
We're seeing the same thing here in the People's Democratic Republic of Illinois. In order to keep our project moving we've hired 3 Pakistani's, a Russian, a Bulgarian and of course, a Mexican. They all had to move to the US.
I rest my case. Hillary loves you guys.
Oh I am sorry I forgot to taylor my response to your ecnomic comprehension level, here I will fix it:
See jpsb work. Work, jpsb work.
See jpsb want more money. Want more money jspb, want more money.
See unions strike. Strike unions, strike.
See government regulate wage prices. Regulate government, regulate.
See jpsb get a raise. Get a raise jpsb, get a raise.
See jpsb smile. Smile jpsb smile.
See the market react. React market, react.
See jpsb's employer outsource. Outsource jpsb's emplyoer, outsource.
See jpsb cry. Cry jpsb, cry.
see 254, I will debate fairly, and do not dodge any resonable questions.
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