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1 posted on 02/13/2005 7:03:04 PM PST by Jay777
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Thank You, ACLU of Colorado, for letting us know, once again, who you stand with.


2 posted on 02/13/2005 7:05:26 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ...... The War on Terrorism is the ultimate 'faith-based' initiative.)
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"The ACLU of Colorado calls upon the Regents, legislators and the Governor to stop threatening Mr. Churchill's job because of the content of his opinions.

Can we threaten him because he is a liar and a plagiarist?

3 posted on 02/13/2005 7:05:51 PM PST by Fido969
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Ping!

Join The Fight!

4 posted on 02/13/2005 7:06:02 PM PST by Jay777 (Join The Resistance at www.stoptheaclu.org)
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And his employer has the freedom of speech to say "your fired"


5 posted on 02/13/2005 7:06:08 PM PST by carlr
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They will pull a Clinton on this one. You can't get rid of Clinton because it was "just a few indiscretions" and it's wrong to get rid of a president for that. NO matter that he was involved in selling compromising satellite technology to the Chinese or perjury or any of the other crimes.

Here, though Churchill has a whole list of offenses worthy of dismissal, they will focus on "offensive speech" and since you can't dismiss a tenured prof because of that, you can't dismiss him for anything.


7 posted on 02/13/2005 7:08:38 PM PST by formercalifornian (Daschle b-gone!)
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Freedom of Speech does not include immunity from repercussions from insulting, unwanted comments!


8 posted on 02/13/2005 7:09:12 PM PST by leprechaun9
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The First Amendment of the U. S. Constitution protects Ward Churchill's right to speak or write his opinions

No, it does not. The First Amendment prohibits the Congress from making laws which prohibit free speech. The First Amendment does not apply to individuals/private citizens.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Dear ACLU: Get a clue.
9 posted on 02/13/2005 7:09:17 PM PST by holymoly ("A lot" is TWO words.)
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Note to the ACLU- Freedom of Speech doesn't extend to sedition and treason.


10 posted on 02/13/2005 7:09:30 PM PST by Cyclopean Squid (The 80s belonged to the Gipper, the Aughts belong to Dubya!)
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The First Amendment does not protect that loon from-

A) Being exposed and experiencing consequences for making bogus statements that insult the memory of those killed 9/11, those who protect our freedom, and our nation.

B) CU firing him for acting in a way that harms CU. Most all tenured profs. can be fired for the behavior.
Employers have the right to fire folks.

Furthermore, he lied when he represented himself as a member of a native american idian tribe. He is a ethnic studies prof. and he lied about that issue.

He has not been jailed for spreading his idiotic crap.

His first amendment has not been violated.


12 posted on 02/13/2005 7:11:04 PM PST by ArmyBratproud
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ACLU = All Criminals Love Us


17 posted on 02/13/2005 7:12:49 PM PST by hsalaw
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The ACLU sings the same song and they are off key again. Ward Churchill, if he is fired, will be fired for academic fraud, plagerism or falsified credentials and NOT for his repugnant views.

He merely drew attention to himself with his speaches and publications. They would not be the reason for a dismissal. They are like a broken tail light that a Policeman stops a car for only to notice a gun and crack pipe on the seat.

18 posted on 02/13/2005 7:13:30 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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Free speech means we may hear something we do not want to hear. However, that does not give anyone the right to stifle dissent, especially on a university campus.

Unless of course you are a Christian, or are against the homosexual agenda for any reason, or a law abiding, honest, tax paying Conservative!

BTW, ACLU, he has free speech, but that does not mean he has to be paid to excercise it. He can get on a soap box and say whatever he wants, the University does not have to pay him for it.


19 posted on 02/13/2005 7:13:43 PM PST by gidget7
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I saw Churchill and Russell Means (AIM) on C-Span last night. Means doesn't care that Churchill is not an Indian and stands by him 100%. Churchill then spoke with zero contrition and maximum hate on full stune beeber mode.

Any tribal members out there who are bothered by this?

20 posted on 02/13/2005 7:13:45 PM PST by yooper (If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there......)
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This governmental interference with the content of Mr. Churchill's constitutionally protected opinions tramples on fundamental American values

The way I understand it, Comrade Churchill has had all the free speech he could stand. He's well published, has an internet site, is paid to spew his throw up around the country. How much free-er can his speech get?

If an employer doesn't want him employed any longer, then that's a different matter. Lots of employers let people go when their positions become irrelevant. He is free to speak freely after he is terminated, nobody said he couldn't.

23 posted on 02/13/2005 7:16:09 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Will work for cool tag line.)
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So if I say, "all liberals are little America-loathing Stalins" on a college campus the ACLU will back me up? Wow!


24 posted on 02/13/2005 7:17:02 PM PST by pkp1184
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tramples on fundamental American values

What on EARTH does the ACLU know about fundamental American values?

26 posted on 02/13/2005 7:18:40 PM PST by pkp1184
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He can say anything he wants. And the University of Colorado can fire him all they want.


28 posted on 02/13/2005 7:18:53 PM PST by Brilliant
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The First Amendment of the U. S. Constitution protects Ward Churchill's right to speak or write his opinions and it protects the rights of his detractors to say they do not like what he wrote or said.

I totally agree. If, however, he tries to pass that off as teaching in his classroom then he should be fired.

31 posted on 02/13/2005 7:21:24 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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...canceling speaking engagements and threats of losing his job are not appropriate responses to Ward Churchill's opinions, even if you believe they are outrageous

Sorry, ALCU. The Amendment guarantees free speach. It does not guarantee a right to be heard.

If a group haires someone to speak before them and then finds out that the hired speaker is crazier than a $hi* house rat, they have every right to cancel.

35 posted on 02/13/2005 7:28:28 PM PST by joedelta (Those who long for peace must prepare for war)
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The Constitution does not require any government, including its universities, to withhold judgment as to the suitability of its employees, including tenured professors.

Judgments about suitability may certainly be based on an employee's actions and statements that arise from employment. Judgments may also be based on actions that occur outside the employment situation, as they provide evidence about the suitability of the person for continued employment.

Ward Churchill actions and statements are clearly incompatible with the role of scholar, educator and university department head. He should be fired expeditiously.


37 posted on 02/13/2005 7:31:18 PM PST by Tax Government (Boycott and defeat the Legacy Media. Become a monthly contributor to FR.)
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