Posted on 02/13/2005 3:46:33 PM PST by Cincinnatus
Sister Lucia Marto, the last of three children who claimed to have seen the Virgin Mary in a series of 1917 apparitions, has died, Portuguese media reported today. She was 97.
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"To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours" I Corinthians 1:2
We are all saints in Christ Jesus because of the blood's washing.
The occurrences at Fatima were not in 1907, but 1917. The visions occurred between May 13th and October 13th 1917. By then, the First World War had been underway for several years. Archduke Franz Ferdinand had been assassinated on June 28, 1914, which sparked the start of war. The Russian Revolution was also well under way. The Tsar was forced to abdicate on March 15, 1917, and the Red Russians (Marxist/Leninist commies) siezed power later that year.
Catholics and the Pope have not been widely persecuted since Roman times.
The only prediction that came true was the eventual fall of the Soviet communist state, 72 years after Fatima.
We are all called...There is a big difference between 'being' and 'being called to be'...
take your Catholic bashing to another thread please
There aren't any coincidences ;-)
I realize this isn't a reply directly to you, but something to ponder nonetheless. Someone on this thread remarked how cool it would be to actually talk to Our Lady.
Well, the bishop that led the trip I was on to Fatima gave the whole group a sort of trip to the woodshed during one homily....he said that people were so bent on making pilgrimages to the shrines of Mary, yet forgot that they could visit Jesus himself in the tabernacle anytime that they wanted. It is really difficult to remind myself that and really really understand that when I go to communion....I'm talking directly to the main guy himself, and he is THERE with me. (whoa, little mind-blowing there...)
Met when? What are you referring to? Where in Scripture?
The Sabbath is biblically Saturday. The calendar you use even respects that - the seventh day - the day of rest - is Saturday. The Church insitituted Sunday as a theological nod to the fact that the Resurrection is the 8th Day of Creation - the New Creation through Christ's conquest over death. This is why Sunday is the Lord's day in Christianity. The death and resurrection of Christ are remembered at the altar on Sunday.
It was about the assassination attempt on PJPII and his survival of it.
The bishop has a point. But I have more trouble with the people who chase visionaries who have been condemned by the Church. A pilgrimage to Fatima, Lourdes or Guadalupe can fit into a balanced spiritual life.
Also, there is a difference between receiving Jesus in the Eucharist and speaking to Him directly in a vision, or speaking directly to Mary in a vision. In the latter cases, His presence or Mary's presence is very explicit.
Yes, I can list a great deal of "visionaries" that have turned out to be either frauds or crazy people....Bayside, Nacedah, etc. A lot of the prophecies being attributed to Lucia I think are actually from Garabanal....and I think Garabandal has been discounted if not outright condemned by the church. The seer there wound up marrying a divorced guy or something. Medjugorie also strikes me as kind of shady in that the visions just keep on coming and coming in a very, dare I say it, commercial fashion. I just want to know how one can fake it that long? Unless there are visions, and they just aren't from God.....which sort of appears to be the case in Garabandal.
1Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God– 2the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, 4and who through the Spirit[a] of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God[b] by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. 5Through him and for his name's sake, we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from faith. 6And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.
7To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints...
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One should note that Paul first says he was "called to be an apostle." Then there is "called to belong to Jesus Christ."
And, "called to be saints."
He is addressing believers. Paul is an apostle. Those he is addressing belong to Jesus Christ.
THEY ARE SAINTS.
Nice try at ducking around the word "called," however. Nice try saying it is just a hypothetical, something we are to aspire to.
No, in this verse, clearly it means something God ordained to be.
After all, that is what a calling is...
This is getting a bit annoying.
Romans 8:27: "And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will."
Apparently, in your mind, only the Canonized have the Spirit interceding for them.
No, all Christians, all saints do according to Scripture.
Jude 1:3: "Dear friends, although I was very eager to write to you about the salvation we share, I felt I had to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to the saints."
I guess only the Canonized had the faith entrusted to them.
Come on.
I've been trying to get Explorer89 to understand this idea for a very long time. :)
Indeed. Nothing is coincidence.
http://members.aol.com/twarren13/sabbath.html
"Q. 9. How doth it appear that the first day of the week is appointed by God to be the weekly Sabbath?
A. 1. There is a like reason for the appointment of the first day as there was for the seventh. The reason of God's appointing the seventh was, his resting from his works of creation; and there is a like reason for appointing the first day, which was the day of Christ's resurrection, namely, the Son of God's resting from his suffering works about man's redemption, into which rest he is said to enter, and which we are more nearly concerned to remember. "For he that is entered into his rest, hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his."— Heb. 4:10. 2. The Lord Jesus hath put his name upon the first day of the week "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's-day."— Rev. 1:10. There is reason to believe that the Lord's-day here spoken of was the first day of the week, because it is a certain determinate day, and it is spoken of as a day which was well known among Christians by that name; and the first day of the week being the day of the Lord's resurrection, and wherein Christians did use to assemble themselves together upon, had the only reason for such denomination. There is also reason to believe that the Lord did put his own name upon this day, because none had authority to put his name upon any day but himself; and the apostle calling it the Lord's-day, by the inspiration of the Spirit no doubt but it was the Lord's will it should be so called, and by consequence it was his will that this day should be used and observed as an holy day unto himself. As the second sacrament is called the Lord's Supper, because it was appointed by the Lord; so the first day of the week is called the Lord's day, because it was appointed by the Lord; and this day being appointed, no other is to be observed now as the Christian Sabbath. 3. The appointment of the first day of the week to be the Sabbath may be inferred from 1 Cor. 16:1, 2: "Now, concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the Churches of Galatia, even so do ye. Upon the first day of the week, let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him." The apostle having given order from the Lord to the Churches of Galatia and Corinth, and by consequence to the other Churches of the Gentiles, for collections on the first day of the week, as God had prospered them on other days, we may infer, this being a Sabbath-day's work, that he had also, from the Lord, given order for the observation of this first day, as the weekly Sabbath. 4. We read of the disciples being assembled together on the first day of the week, and that Jesus then came among them (John 20:19); and that eight days afte; they met again, which was another first day, and Jesus came to them.— Verse 26. Moreover, that it was the practice of Christ's disciples to meet together to worship the Lord, to hear the word, and break bread, or receive the sacrament of the Lord's supper, on the first day of the week. "And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples were come together to break bread, Paul preached unto them," &c.— Acts 20:7. Paul had been with them Seven days (verse 6), and yet we read of no solemn meeting but on the first day of the week, the last of the seven wherein he abode with them. It was not on the old Sabbath, the last day of the week, that the solemn assembly for worship was held, but on the first day; which, had it not been the Sabbath of new appointment, and of necessary observation to Christians, would have been most inconvenient for Paul to have spent in religious exercises until midnight, when the next morning he was to take his jour ney. All which being considered, together with the practice of Christians from the apostles' days, it may be evident unto them that desire not to cavil, that the first day of the week is appointed by the Lord to be the Christian Sabbath."
http://www.bpc.org/resources/vincent/wsc_vi_059.html
By your logic -the Catholic Church should canonize ALL? It would also follow that if ALL are saints equally it does not matter to be in error as you imply -why continue irrelevant debate amongst fellow saints?
Anyway, the Catholic Church does not teach that all saints are known or can be known by man...
I think you may just be turning scripture on its head by selective reference to fit your notions... The totality of scripture and tradition must be taken into account OTHERWISE one can come up with erroneous interpretations and end up teaching false doctrine e.g. we are all saints...
Given that every reasonable person had concluded Medjugorje to be an obvious and cynical fraud, the person who posted this about JP II hopefully has their facts straight. I'll bet they don't have a URL, a journal, a date, etc. for that 'speculation'. That's a heck of a rumor, that JP II would knowingly promote a phony 'apparition'. And just think about it. We've all seen the photos of the near-death pontiff, barely able to lift his head and stay awake, even before his last stroke, or whatever it was. This doesn't seem to be a man who can think or decide much of anything, but rather appears to all the world to be a cutout figurehead, propper up in a chair, in order to empower those who supposedly take their orders from him. They don't want it to end. They don't want a real Pope who can speak for himself. But there will be one, and from the looks of JP II, pretty soon.
The irony of your complaint is that under the PC Popes, more people have been made Saints than in the entire previous history of The Church. It does seem that 'reformists' wish to makes Saints of us all, in order that the cult of Saints disappears under the weight of such 'compassion'. One also has to wonder how many of these canonizations will be challenged once the new Pope is elected - or if he also is a 'reformist', the Pope after him then? They might at least go through just the motions of reinstating the 'devil's advocate'.
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