Posted on 02/13/2005 1:18:18 PM PST by sunnysky
Breaking
Best varmint gun I've ever owned. Wouldn't want to carry it into battle, though.
I still don't know what that guy is talking about. Is he trying to say that .45 ACP ammo hasn't been technically called 45ACP since before WWII? Is that it?
Well what the heck do they TECHNICALLY call it nowdays then?
As for being obsolete, that's pure crap. Everyone is going back to the 45. Even glock has just come out with a new 45GAP cartridge that is based on the 45ACP. I heard the military is going to start allowing soldiers the option of an M9 or a 1911 style 45 handgun.
I'll tell you what is going obsolete real fast...that's the 9mm. No one wants it anymore. Although, with the hi-cap magazine ban no longer in effect, it may get revived some.
Webley Fosbury?
And that anybody who still calls it .45 ACP is a "doo-doo head".
I think that pretty much sums up his argument.
Mark
According to the ATF they are distinct categories,:
http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/2000_ref.htm
In the Army you would get laughed out of the room if you called an M-16 a machine gun.
OK, I'll admit that the US Code has been dumbed down in the last 20 years since I was involved with Class III firearms to the definition you gave, (because most lawyers and politicians and bureaucrats aren't smart enough to understand the distinctions).
But among gun professionals and ex-professionals like myself, specific words mean specific things
Uh, but that still don't make sense.
EVERYONE still calls it 45ACP. That's the way it's advertized. There are two kinds of colt 45 ammo...there's 45ACP and 45LC. Everyone knows that.
If you called it that while in basic training it meant 25 pushups.
Aye!
In addition, prayers for the safety of others and safe apprehension of the perps!
But New York has very strict gun control laws. An attack with machine guns is inconceivable!
EVERYONE still calls it 45ACP. That's the way it's advertized. There are two kinds of colt 45 ammo...there's 45ACP and 45LC. Everyone knows that.
Which is why .45 ACP is a de facto standard term for the de jure standard .45 AUTO (as titled by ANSI). Therefore, you, I, Springfield Armory, and Smith & Wesson are all "doo-doo heads."
I wouldn't worry about it. Everyone knows what you're talking about when you say .45 ACP.
Mark
Yeah, I still call it .45 ACP too.
And Colt Firearms, which originated the cartridge and weapon (with John Browning) still refers to it as .45 ACP.
That's alone is good enough for me, even though I no longer carry a Colt manufactured one.
But if that isn't enough:
Kimber still classifies it as .45 ACP.
Springfield armory still refers to it as .45 ACP
Smith and Wesson still manufactures pistols designated as .45 ACP.
Taurus still calls it .45 ACP
And for people who like to be precise with words, it prevents confusion with cartridges like the new Glock .45 GAP cartridge and other .45 wildcat cartridges which could also be considered .45 auto cartridges.
If your velocity is too high, the bullet will over expand, and that will prevent sufficient penetration. If the bullet is too slow, then it will not expand, and may over penetrate (through and through wound). The lower velocity will often be more effective. If the bullet does not penetrate to the important vital organs, it will not be effective. In humans, the vital organs are at the back: Heart, spine. If you are planning on a head shot, even a .22LR will work, but it is a hard target to hit, since people tend to move their heads around with little notice.
Expansion is uncertain. Rounds that have to penetrate fabric, car bodies, or windshields usually will not expand because the little hole gets filled up, or the lips are deformed. Accordingly bullets fired through glass will often penetrate further than a bullet fired directly into flesh or flesh surrogate.
Priorities:
1. bullet placement: no points for misses, and inface lots of negative points if you hit the wrong person.
2. Penetration: you have to get all the way to where someone lives. Life is a biological function, and to stop someone from behaving badly you only shoot if must do enough damage to take that biological function away by damage to his biology.
3. Area of damage. Given that precise control of the point of impact is not possible (because your target is moving, not cooperating, and you have to deal with stress and error) a larger bullet gives you the edge.
Better a hit with a .22 than a miss with a .45, you should use the largest round that you can shoot well.
Does it help if I state that I have a revolver chambered for the .45 ACP?
Colt 45 is the Long Colt. If someone claims it also refers to .45 ACP, shun those persons and do not invite them to bar-b-ques.
Boy, you ought to see the shootist with the single action revolver. one pull of the trigger, and 5 rounds using the off hand to cock and release....
Definitions are the mischief!
LOL! Sounds like she could have had a good career as part of Dan Rather's investigative team.
Two friends of mall shooting suspect arrested on explosive charges.
http://www.poughkeepsiejournal.com/today/frontpage/update.shtml
No way. They'll just have "Muslim-sounding" names, like John Allen Williams/Mohammed...
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