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If Behe's ears aren't burning, he's either deaf or not listening.

Here's the original FR thread on Behe's "Design for Living" op-ed.

 

1 posted on 02/12/2005 4:24:11 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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2 posted on 02/12/2005 4:24:47 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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BTW, today is Darwin's 196th birthday!


3 posted on 02/12/2005 4:27:50 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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How does this crap get published in the NY Times?

They want to make Republicans/Conservatives look bad, That's why

8 posted on 02/12/2005 4:37:10 PM PST by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: snarks_when_bored; PatrickHenry
from the article:

"How does this crap get published in the NY Times?"

I realize the author was asking a rhetorical question, but the likely answer is illuminating.

The NYT is a statist, big-government advocate. Conservatives generally oppose big, intrusive government. To the extent that the NYT can paint conservatives as a bunch of snake-handling, knuckle-dragging, anti-science goons, the easier it will be for Hillary and other left-wing scoundrels to get elected and get their big-government programs passed.

So along comes some useful idiot like Behe, with his creationism masquarading as science nonsense, and the NYT is more than happy to publish it because it furthers the political agenda of the NYT and it's like minded friends by making conservatives look like anti-science religious fanatics who want to sneak religion into the science classroom of public schools via the back door.

And that, gentle reader, is how "this crap get published in the NY Times".... Better get used to it, because there will be much more of this coming our way.

12 posted on 02/12/2005 4:44:43 PM PST by longshadow
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INTREP - These people [evolutionists] continue to refuse to look at the evidence and the work that has been done. I guess they figure if you hurl enough "brick bats," something will change. It is truly a bad day for evolutionary integrity.

There is a large body of research substantiating Intelligent Design, and the work stands up to scrutiny far better than evolutionism does. It fits the evidence!

13 posted on 02/12/2005 4:45:11 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Very amusing. But, oh, so true.

That's it. That's pathetic.

And what an excellent summary of the entire ID wedge nonsense.

20 posted on 02/12/2005 5:41:54 PM PST by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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It sounds impressive, but I've read several articles by Behe, and they make excellent sense. I say that not from a religious perspective but as someone with an interest in science.

Reducing the whole theory to the length of a NY Times OpEd piece is bound to produce a simplified argument which has to leave a lot unsaid. But he has argued it in greater detail elsewhere.

I don't expect any agreement on this issue, because Darwinists have a stake in evolutionary theory and they don't want to hear anything different. But sooner or later Darwin will go the same way as his two major nineteenth century colleagues in modernist mystification, Marx and Freud--into the dustbin of history.


22 posted on 02/12/2005 5:49:50 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Excuse O'great Snarks, but PZMeyers is who?? Is what??
I am a biologist, but I do not bow before Darwin. Let us search for truth, not Your interpretation of it.


23 posted on 02/12/2005 5:53:59 PM PST by Doc Savage (...because they stand on a wall, and they say nothing is going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch!)
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To: snarks_when_bored
Dunno if you've seen this, but this is an editorial in today's NYT by one of Behe's quoted sources in his editorial.

Check it out.

25 posted on 02/12/2005 6:03:38 PM PST by ThinkPlease (Fortune Favors the Bold!)
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All of his quasi-scientific nonsense is just a prelude to the following statement:

"Besides, whatever special restrictions scientists adopt for themselves don’t bind the public, which polls show, overwhelmingly, and sensibly, thinks that life was designed.

Everything about ID can come down to that. There is an implied threat to the scientific community. That no matter how ID is unaccepted by the experts and scientists, no matter how thoroughly evolutionists defeat them in debate and results, a non-scientifically trained entity, the public through the courts, can impose its will on the instruction of science. All Behe and IDers do is demagogue this issue to the gullible public. This is an outrage. In no other academic field can outsiders dictate to academic insiders how their field is to be run. You can't have the inmates run the asylum.

But the IDers are doomed to fail. The longer this is prolonged, the greater will be the attention upon this issue. Once that happens, the resistance by the imposed upon scientific community will increase, leading to a more dramatic and humiliating ID defeat.

37 posted on 02/12/2005 6:34:59 PM PST by ValenB4
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Critique of 29 Evidences of Macroevolution
46 posted on 02/12/2005 7:06:52 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Secularization of America is happening)
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Ah I just love how 'conservative' atheists magically turn into flaming liberals when confronted with anything that questions their religion. I seem to recall a pharisaic attitude that once said the earth the center of the Universe. Wasn't Galileo a Christian? Ah, yes, he was. Hmm... So we have Christian Scientists vs. the 'religious' establishment. Sounds like a familiar story going on today.


96 posted on 02/13/2005 7:03:45 AM PST by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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It might have been nice if you had added that Behe is a professor at Lehigh University, and not just a Fellow at the Discovery Institute.


167 posted on 02/13/2005 2:55:20 PM PST by Binghamton_native
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29+ arguments for macroevolution??

if they were right, one would be sufficient, einstein!!


313 posted on 02/14/2005 9:18:34 AM PST by Tulsa ("let there be light" and bang it happened)
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How does this crap get published in the NY Times?

Er, precisely because it is the New York Times. Presumably Behe accurately pegged them as the sort of incompetent journalists who would find his twaddle worthy of publication.

338 posted on 02/14/2005 10:47:14 AM PST by steve-b (A desire not to butt into other people's business is eighty percent of all human wisdom)
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Behe Jumps the Shark [response to Michael Behe's NYTimes op-ed, "Design for Living"]

He had an op-ed in the NYT? Cool!

348 posted on 02/14/2005 11:52:55 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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The evidence for evolution:

It's obvious.
It's obvious!
Design explanations are no good.
There aren't any good design explanations.

First, rid thyself of creation tools before showing thine angst against the same.
407 posted on 02/14/2005 4:25:12 PM PST by Frumious Bandersnatch
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415 posted on 02/14/2005 5:10:06 PM PST by JCRoberts (We're at war. You think we're going to win it with a bunch of fish-eaters...Denny Crane)
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Behe jumped the shark, perhaps. Big deal. Darwin is worm food.


615 posted on 02/16/2005 12:23:40 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: snarks_when_bored; PatrickHenry
Well snarks, I've been away for a while on work-related matters and I'm sorry I'm such a latecomer to this thread.

But I just had to drop you a note to say that you gave what I consider to be a fair consideration of what I also believe are some of the obvious flaws in the Intelligent Design hypothesis.

What we really need is a thread to compare the two schools of thought on Intelligent Design that form what I consider to be the most unlikely alliance of all. Some Intelligent Design proponents see it as an alternative to Abiogenesis and/or Evolution -- which is false in the latter instance, since Intelligent Design recognizes the evolution of species -- and other Intelligent Design proponents reject a divine origin altogether and use the theory to support their hypothesis that the origins of complex life on earth derive from elsewhere in the universe, i.e. that an Extraterrestrial Intelligence is the "designer."

We really need to make that alliance better known. I can think of no group of more unlikely allies than creationists and extraterrestrial origin advocates. It boggles my mind every time I think about it.

Good job snarks!
657 posted on 02/16/2005 5:37:54 PM PST by StJacques
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