Posted on 02/12/2005 4:24:09 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
If Behe's ears aren't burning, he's either deaf or not listening.
Here's the original FR thread on Behe's "Design for Living" op-ed.
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BTW, today is Darwin's 196th birthday!
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Much interesting science stuff, I should've said.
They want to make Republicans/Conservatives look bad, That's why
Yes. But his politics are mucho lefto.
Panda's Thumb is much better for your needs in these discussions.
Right. (That's why I posted the clarification.)
"How does this crap get published in the NY Times?"
I realize the author was asking a rhetorical question, but the likely answer is illuminating.
The NYT is a statist, big-government advocate. Conservatives generally oppose big, intrusive government. To the extent that the NYT can paint conservatives as a bunch of snake-handling, knuckle-dragging, anti-science goons, the easier it will be for Hillary and other left-wing scoundrels to get elected and get their big-government programs passed.
So along comes some useful idiot like Behe, with his creationism masquarading as science nonsense, and the NYT is more than happy to publish it because it furthers the political agenda of the NYT and it's like minded friends by making conservatives look like anti-science religious fanatics who want to sneak religion into the science classroom of public schools via the back door.
And that, gentle reader, is how "this crap get published in the NY Times".... Better get used to it, because there will be much more of this coming our way.
There is a large body of research substantiating Intelligent Design, and the work stands up to scrutiny far better than evolutionism does. It fits the evidence!
Ding! Ding! Ding!
We have a winner!
My suggestion; useful IDiot.
INTREP - These people [evolutionists] continue to refuse to look at the evidence and the work that has been done. I guess they figure if you hurl enough "brick bats," something will change. It is truly a bad day for evolutionary integrity.There is a large body of research substantiating Intelligent Design, and the work stands up to scrutiny far better than evolutionism does. It fits the evidence!
I respect your right to say this, but saying it doesn't make it so. This is not a 'he-said/she-said' situation, where there's equal weight on both sides of the question. This is more like an 'evolutionary-Mount-Everest/intelligent-design-grain-of-sand' situation.
I believe you're absolutely correct regarding the NYT motives: They do want to paint all conservatives with the brush of being irrational, anti-sience, anti-intellectual bible-thumping fundamentalists. They are attempting to paint conservatives by this false association as the American version of the Taliban.
IMHO, those who are on the offensive for creationism/ID have not bothered to understand science's procedures, history, philosophy and limited assumptions because simply they do not want to and, thus, are truly anti-intellectual.
For the sake of conservatism, I believe we need to mount a PR campaign of (for example) "Conservative Association for the Advancement of Science."
However, if the flagellum contains within it a smaller functional set of components like the TTSS, then the flagellum itself cannot be irreducibly complex – by definition. Since we now know that this is indeed the case, it is obviously true that the flagellum is not irreducibly complex.Miller is just playing word games.
I'm too busy with other responsibilities and interests to continue this discussion, but I'll say what I've said before: my problems with the current theories of evolution aren't that it conflicts with religion, but that it so often conflicts with good science.
Although I'm horrified that the MSM will be publicizing the madness of creationism, all the while delighting in linking it to conservatism, there may be a bright side. The creationists and the leftist MSM will both be boosting creationism.
That's it. That's pathetic.
And what an excellent summary of the entire ID wedge nonsense.
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