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Can This Black Box See Into the Future? -
RedNova ^ | February 11, 2005

Posted on 02/12/2005 12:12:42 PM PST by UnklGene

Can This Black Box See Into the Future? -

DEEP in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side, that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.

At first glance it is an unremarkable piece of equipment. Encased in metal, it contains at its heart a microchip no more complex than the ones found in modern pocket calculators.

But, according to a growing band of top scientists, this box has quite extraordinary powers. It is, they claim, the 'eye' of a machine that appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world events.

The machine apparently sensed the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Centre four hours before they happened - but in the fevered mood of conspiracy theories of the time, the claims were swiftly knocked back by sceptics. But last December, it also appeared to forewarn of the Asian tsunami just before the deep sea earthquake that precipitated the epic tragedy.

Now, even the doubters are acknowledging that here is a small box with apparently inexplicable powers.

'It's Earth-shattering stuff,' says Dr Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher at Princeton University in the United States, who is heading the research project behind the 'black box' phenomenon.

'We're very early on in the process of trying to figure out what's going on here. At the moment we're stabbing in the dark.' Dr Nelson's investigations, called the Global Consciousness Project, were originally hosted by Princeton University and are centred on one of the most extraordinary experiments of all time. Its aim is to detect whether all of humanity shares a single subconscious mind that we can all tap into without realising.

And machines like the Edinburgh black box have thrown up a tantalising possibility: that scientists may have unwittingly discovered a way of predicting the future.

Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than fools' gold, it has still attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists from 41 different nations. Researchers from Princeton - where Einstein spent much of his career - work alongside scientists from universities in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany. The project is also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the potential powers of the paranormal.

'Very often paranormal phenomena evaporate if you study them for long enough,' says physicist Dick Bierman of the University of Amsterdam. 'But this is not happening with the Global Consciousness Project. The effect is real. The only dispute is about what it means.' The project has its roots in the extraordinary work of Professor Robert Jahn of Princeton University during the late 1970s. He was one of the first modern scientists to take paranormal phenomena seriously. Intrigued by such things as telepathy, telekinesis - the supposed psychic power to move objects without the use of physical force - and extrasensory perception, he was determined to study the phenomena using the most up-to-date technology available.

One of these new technologies was a humble-looking black box known was a Random Event Generator (REG). This used computer technology to generate two numbers - a one and a zero - in a totally random sequence, rather like an electronic coin-flipper.

The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.

During the late 1970s, Prof Jahn decided to investigate whether the power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.

It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.

Again and again, entirely ordinary people proved that their minds could influence the machine and produce significant fluctuations on the graph, 'forcing it' to produce unequal numbers of 'heads' or 'tails'.

According to all of the known laws of science, this should not have happened - but it did. And it kept on happening.

Dr Nelson, also working at Princeton University, then extended Prof Jahn's work by taking random number machines to group meditations, which were very popular in America at the time. Again, the results were eyepopping. The groups were collectively able to cause dramatic shifts in the patterns of numbers.

From then on, Dr Nelson was hooked.

Using the internet, he connected up 40 random event generators from all over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more or less like a flat line.

But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened: the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another reason, too.

For it was the same day that an estimated one billion people around the world watched the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminster Abbey.

Dr Nelson was convinced that the two events must be related in some way.

Could he have detected a totally new phenomena? Could the concentrated emotional outpouring of millions of people be able to influence the output of his REGs. If so, how?

Dr Nelson was at a loss to explain it.

So, in 1998, he gathered together scientists from all over the world to analyse his findings. They, too, were stumped and resolved to extend and deepen the work of Prof Jahn and Dr Nelson. The Global Consciousness Project was born.

Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited to act as the 'eyes' of the project.

And the results have been startling and inexplicable in equal measure.

For during the course of the experiment, the Eggs have 'sensed' a whole series of major world events as they were happening, from the Nato bombing of Yugoslavia to the Kursk submarine tragedy to America's hung election of 2000.

The Eggs also regularly detect huge global celebrations, such as New Year's Eve.

But the project threw up its greatest enigma on September 11, 2001.

As the world stood still and watched the horror of the terrorist attacks unfold across New York, something strange was happening to the Eggs.

Not only had they registered the attacks as they actually happened, but the characteristic shift in the pattern of numbers had begun four hours before the two planes even hit the Twin Towers.

They had, it appeared, detected that an event of historic importance was about to take place before the terrorists had even boarded their fateful flights. The implications, not least for the West's security services who constantly monitor electronic 'chatter', are clearly enormous.

'I knew then that we had a great deal of work ahead of us,' says Dr Nelson.

What could be happening? Was it a freak occurrence, perhaps?

Apparently not. For in the closing weeks of December last year, the machines went wild once more.

Twenty-four hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the lives of an estimated quarter of a million people.

So could the Global Consciousness Project really be forecasting the future?

Cynics will quite rightly point out that there is always some global event that could be used to 'explain' the times when the Egg machines behaved erratically. After all, our world is full of wars, disasters and terrorist outrages, as well as the occasional global celebration. Are the scientists simply trying too hard to detect patterns in their raw data?

The team behind the project insist not. They claim that by using rigorous scientific techniques and powerful mathematics it is possible to exclude any such random connections.

'We're perfectly willing to discover that we've made mistakes,' says Dr Nelson. 'But we haven't been able to find any, and neither has anyone else.

Our data shows clearly that the chances of getting these results by fluke are one million to one against.

That's hugely significant.' But many remain sceptical.

Professor Chris French, a psychologist and noted sceptic at Goldsmiths College in London, says: 'The Global Consciousness Project has generated some very intriguing results that cannot be readily dismissed. I'm involved in similar work to see if we get the same results. We haven't managed to do so yet but it's only an early experiment. The jury's still out.' Strange as it may seem, though, there's nothing in the laws of physics that precludes the possibility of foreseeing the future.

It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future.

'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof Bierman at the University of Amsterdam.

'And if it's possible for it to happen in physics, then it can happen in our minds, too.' In other words, Prof Bierman believes that we are all capable of looking into the future, if only we could tap into the hidden power of our minds. And there is a tantalising body of evidence to support this theory.

Dr John Hartwell, working at the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands, was the first to uncover evidence that people could sense the future. In the mid-1970s he hooked people up to hospital scanning machines so that he could study their brainwave patterns.

He began by showing them a sequence of provocative cartoon drawings.

When the pictures were shown, the machines registered the subject's brainwaves as they reacted strongly to the images before them. This was to be expected.

Far less easy to explain was the fact that in many cases, these dramatic patterns began to register a few seconds before each of the pictures were even flashed up.

It was as though Dr Hartwell's case studies were somehow seeing into the future, and detecting when the next shocking image would be shown next.

It was extraordinary - and seemingly inexplicable.

But it was to be another 15 years before anyone else took Dr Hartwell's work further when Dean Radin, a researcher working in America, connected people up to a machine that measured their skin's resistance to electricity. This is known to fluctuate in tandem with our moods - indeed, it's this principle that underlies many lie detectors.

Radin repeated Dr Hartwell's 'image response' experiments while measuring skin resistance. Again, people began reacting a few seconds before they were shown the provocative pictures. This was clearly impossible, or so he thought, so he kept on repeating the experiments. And he kept getting the same results.

'I didn't believe it either,' says Prof Bierman. 'So I also repeated the experiment myself and got the same results. I was shocked. After this I started to think more deeply about the nature of time.' To make matters even more intriguing, Prof Bierman says that other mainstream labs have now produced similar results but are yet to go public.

'They don't want to be ridiculed so they won't release their findings,' he says. 'So I'm trying to persuade all of them to release their results at the same time. That would at least spread the ridicule a little more thinly!' If Prof Bierman is right, though, then the experiments are no laughing matter.

They might help provide a solid scientific grounding for such strange phenomena as 'deja vu', intuition and a host of other curiosities that we have all experienced from time to time.

They may also open up a far more interesting possibility - that one day we might be able to enhance psychic powers using machines that can 'tune in' to our subconscious mind, machines like the little black box in Edinburgh.

Just as we have built mechanical engines to replace muscle power, could we one day build a device to enhance and interpret our hidden psychic abilities?

Dr Nelson is optimistic - but not for the short term. 'We may be able to predict that a major world event is going to happen. But we won't know exactly what will happen or where it's going to happen,' he says.

'Put it this way - we haven't yet got a machine we could sell to the CIA.'

But for Dr Nelson, talk of such psychic machines - with the potential to detect global catastrophes or terrorist outrages - is of far less importance than the implications of his work in terms of the human race.

For what his experiments appear to demonstrate is that while we may all operate as individuals, we also appear to share something far, far greater - a global consciousness. Some might call it the mind of God.

'We're taught to be individualistic monsters,' he says. 'We're driven by society to separate ourselves from each other. That's not right.

We may be connected together far more intimately than we realise.'


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: artbell; box; callingartbell; generator; paranormal; phenomenon; predictions; randomnumbers; strange
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To: Gunrunner2
[ Tin-foil hat on, bowl of pop-corn at the ready. . . let the posts begin! ]

To be sure.. this thing might be able to read my mind...
Oops.. tin foils boots on too... The govment can read yer mind without them on..

NOTE....
To govment mind readers.. Reading my mind is quite underwhelming.. Sorry..

61 posted on 02/12/2005 1:18:04 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: carlr; ConservativeMind

There are random number generators that get their input from radioactive decay of certain isotopes, which as near as anyone can tell is utterly random.


62 posted on 02/12/2005 1:18:37 PM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: UnklGene

The experiments sound very similar to the famous ones conducted at Duke University where the volunteer tried to affect the roll of dice (rolled by a machine). Those were successful also to the odds of one in trillions. Using a random number generator seems better; you can't criticize the integrity of whatever rolls the die.


63 posted on 02/12/2005 1:21:01 PM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: UnklGene

Uhm, how far from Loch Ness is this?


64 posted on 02/12/2005 1:22:41 PM PST by Buzwardo
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To: FairOpinion

Man, that's weird. I just was reading that old thread. Very strange. Much after the posts you quote someone else talks about dreaming of the assisination of Anwar Sadat, just a few days before it actually happened. He didn't even really know who Anwar Sadat was, but he knew it was him that got killed in his dream.

Freaking myself out here.


65 posted on 02/12/2005 1:23:04 PM PST by jocon307 (Vote George Washington for the #1 spot)
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To: snarks_when_bored
A bump up in a graph doesn't report anything.

Star Wars ping. They detected a disturbance in the Force. Hopefully, they won't go over to the Dark Side.

66 posted on 02/12/2005 1:24:33 PM PST by glorgau
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To: carlr
Yes, if I remember correctly, it is impossible to create a true random number generator. Only something that closely mimics a random number generator is possible. In fact, there was a guy who worked for a company that created an algorythm to mimic random numbers for a Vegas (or was it Atlantic city?) casino Kino game. He and a partner set up a scam. They tried it out - by seeing what the last set of so-called "random" numbers were and then extrapolating what the next would be - and they hit it perfectly on the very first try.

This made the casino suspicious. They checked the "winnner's" room and found the guy who used to work for the company that sold them the "random" number generator.

Then, I suppose, they went to jail.
67 posted on 02/12/2005 1:24:37 PM PST by LeftCoastNeoCon
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To: djf
There have been numerous attempts to change the past and these were honest attempts, but not attempts at honesty:

Remember, Gore really won the 2000 election; and, Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq; and, Kennedy was a great president; and, President Regan was a dunce; and, Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs were innocent; and, there were no communists in the government [particularly in the State Department] in the 1940s and 1950s; and, elections have never been as vitriolic as they are today, etc.
68 posted on 02/12/2005 1:26:11 PM PST by Tom D.
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To: UnklGene

I've known for quite a while now that the human mind can influence events in the material world to a degree not recognized by most scientists. Doctors especially crack me up when they scoff at people healing themselves through sheer willpower. When a doctor can tell me what we do for a third of our lives when we are asleep, I'll listen to him. As of now, they have no clue. For the past several years, if I have started to get sick, I would spend the whole day meditating and it would be completely gone by morning. One time I got strep from my wife who couldnt get out of bed for over a week, and I was completely fine the day after I was infected.

Most of the people posting on this thread also have the same primitive mentality. The next revolution in science will probably begin with what the mind is capable of accomplishing.


69 posted on 02/12/2005 1:29:56 PM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: UnklGene
This should be pretty easy to independantly corroborate.
70 posted on 02/12/2005 1:31:21 PM PST by fso301
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To: UnklGene
It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future. 'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof Bierman at the University of Amsterdam.

I have discussed this foretelling the future business on other threads over the years.

The whole premise is based on Calvinism--i.e., the belief that the entire past and future has already been pre-determined.

Otherwise it makes no sense to talk about going forward or backward in time.

That would mean that man would have no free will and it makes no difference what any of us do because the book of history has already been written.

Are these "scientists" ready to go there--if not they should shut up and go home.
71 posted on 02/12/2005 1:36:50 PM PST by cgbg (Just Say No To The Party of Perversion and Prevarication!)
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To: FairOpinion
16 Posted on 05/10/2001 17:25:30 PDT by SamAdams76

Now THAT gives me chills !!

72 posted on 02/12/2005 1:38:03 PM PST by Neenah ("You're so vain, you probably think this post is about YOU ")
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To: Coleus

Bev Harris at Black Box Voting would love this story.


73 posted on 02/12/2005 1:39:23 PM PST by Jeff Gordon (Recall Barbara Boxer)
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To: Flightdeck

I think the next revolution in science will be astounding, and many will refuse to believe it.

Probably some sort of synthesis between science and religion, based on combinatorial theory and topology.

Whatever, it won't come from some lab peeking for some new particle, the interesting thing is not simply that a particle is there, it's what it does.

And the plastic-pocket-protector crowd wants to name the new particle "the God particle", I chuckle on the comedy and vanity of it all.


74 posted on 02/12/2005 1:40:38 PM PST by djf
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To: UnklGene

It will be just like Kyoto and global warming. All the idiots will be intimidated into accepting the little black box as God, and rational people will all be condemned as uninformed heretics.

Bunko Science is replacing junk science.


75 posted on 02/12/2005 1:41:10 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell ( Dems! Show us your exit plans for Germany,Japan, Bosnia ,S. Korea and we'll show you ours for Iraq.)
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To: djf

you might be right. I hope to be part of it.


76 posted on 02/12/2005 1:43:28 PM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: sure_fine

Coincidence? Nope. Sell the truck...


77 posted on 02/12/2005 1:44:41 PM PST by 7.62 x 51mm (• veni • vidi • vino • visa • "I came, I saw, I drank wine, I shopped")
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To: snarks_when_bored
A bump up in a graph doesn't report anything.

But when numerous graphs around the world bump up in synchronization, whose correlations are normally near zero, there is something going on. If these were seismographs the answer would be obvious. If there were a built-in artifact in the electronics (like a common random number seed) that caused a synchronization at a later time it would be easy to understand. But as far as anyone knows, no prosaic explanation covers this phenomenon. I agree it is worth pursuing and would be negligent not to...

78 posted on 02/12/2005 1:51:48 PM PST by steve86
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To: 7.62 x 51mm

he won't sell it now, its the only thing protecting us. ;)


79 posted on 02/12/2005 1:53:07 PM PST by sure_fine (*not one to over kill the thought process*)
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To: djf

Big boson ping.


80 posted on 02/12/2005 1:53:21 PM PST by steve86
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