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Can This Black Box See Into the Future? -
RedNova ^ | February 11, 2005

Posted on 02/12/2005 12:12:42 PM PST by UnklGene

Can This Black Box See Into the Future? -

DEEP in the basement of a dusty university library in Edinburgh lies a small black box, roughly the size of two cigarette packets side by side, that churns out random numbers in an endless stream.

At first glance it is an unremarkable piece of equipment. Encased in metal, it contains at its heart a microchip no more complex than the ones found in modern pocket calculators.

But, according to a growing band of top scientists, this box has quite extraordinary powers. It is, they claim, the 'eye' of a machine that appears capable of peering into the future and predicting major world events.

The machine apparently sensed the September 11 attacks on the World Trade Centre four hours before they happened - but in the fevered mood of conspiracy theories of the time, the claims were swiftly knocked back by sceptics. But last December, it also appeared to forewarn of the Asian tsunami just before the deep sea earthquake that precipitated the epic tragedy.

Now, even the doubters are acknowledging that here is a small box with apparently inexplicable powers.

'It's Earth-shattering stuff,' says Dr Roger Nelson, emeritus researcher at Princeton University in the United States, who is heading the research project behind the 'black box' phenomenon.

'We're very early on in the process of trying to figure out what's going on here. At the moment we're stabbing in the dark.' Dr Nelson's investigations, called the Global Consciousness Project, were originally hosted by Princeton University and are centred on one of the most extraordinary experiments of all time. Its aim is to detect whether all of humanity shares a single subconscious mind that we can all tap into without realising.

And machines like the Edinburgh black box have thrown up a tantalising possibility: that scientists may have unwittingly discovered a way of predicting the future.

Although many would consider the project's aims to be little more than fools' gold, it has still attracted a roster of 75 respected scientists from 41 different nations. Researchers from Princeton - where Einstein spent much of his career - work alongside scientists from universities in Britain, the Netherlands, Switzerland and Germany. The project is also the most rigorous and longest-running investigation ever into the potential powers of the paranormal.

'Very often paranormal phenomena evaporate if you study them for long enough,' says physicist Dick Bierman of the University of Amsterdam. 'But this is not happening with the Global Consciousness Project. The effect is real. The only dispute is about what it means.' The project has its roots in the extraordinary work of Professor Robert Jahn of Princeton University during the late 1970s. He was one of the first modern scientists to take paranormal phenomena seriously. Intrigued by such things as telepathy, telekinesis - the supposed psychic power to move objects without the use of physical force - and extrasensory perception, he was determined to study the phenomena using the most up-to-date technology available.

One of these new technologies was a humble-looking black box known was a Random Event Generator (REG). This used computer technology to generate two numbers - a one and a zero - in a totally random sequence, rather like an electronic coin-flipper.

The pattern of ones and noughts - 'heads' and 'tails' as it were - could then be printed out as a graph. The laws of chance dictate that the generators should churn out equal numbers of ones and zeros - which would be represented by a nearly flat line on the graph. Any deviation from this equal number shows up as a gently rising curve.

During the late 1970s, Prof Jahn decided to investigate whether the power of human thought alone could interfere in some way with the machine's usual readings. He hauled strangers off the street and asked them to concentrate their minds on his number generator. In effect, he was asking them to try to make it flip more heads than tails.

It was a preposterous idea at the time. The results, however, were stunning and have never been satisfactorily explained.

Again and again, entirely ordinary people proved that their minds could influence the machine and produce significant fluctuations on the graph, 'forcing it' to produce unequal numbers of 'heads' or 'tails'.

According to all of the known laws of science, this should not have happened - but it did. And it kept on happening.

Dr Nelson, also working at Princeton University, then extended Prof Jahn's work by taking random number machines to group meditations, which were very popular in America at the time. Again, the results were eyepopping. The groups were collectively able to cause dramatic shifts in the patterns of numbers.

From then on, Dr Nelson was hooked.

Using the internet, he connected up 40 random event generators from all over the world to his laboratory computer in Princeton. These ran constantly, day in day out, generating millions of different pieces of data. Most of the time, the resulting graph on his computer looked more or less like a flat line.

But then on September 6, 1997, something quite extraordinary happened: the graph shot upwards, recording a sudden and massive shift in the number sequence as his machines around the world started reporting huge deviations from the norm. The day was of historic importance for another reason, too.

For it was the same day that an estimated one billion people around the world watched the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales at Westminster Abbey.

Dr Nelson was convinced that the two events must be related in some way.

Could he have detected a totally new phenomena? Could the concentrated emotional outpouring of millions of people be able to influence the output of his REGs. If so, how?

Dr Nelson was at a loss to explain it.

So, in 1998, he gathered together scientists from all over the world to analyse his findings. They, too, were stumped and resolved to extend and deepen the work of Prof Jahn and Dr Nelson. The Global Consciousness Project was born.

Since then, the project has expanded massively. A total of 65 Eggs (as the generators have been named) in 41 countries have now been recruited to act as the 'eyes' of the project.

And the results have been startling and inexplicable in equal measure.

For during the course of the experiment, the Eggs have 'sensed' a whole series of major world events as they were happening, from the Nato bombing of Yugoslavia to the Kursk submarine tragedy to America's hung election of 2000.

The Eggs also regularly detect huge global celebrations, such as New Year's Eve.

But the project threw up its greatest enigma on September 11, 2001.

As the world stood still and watched the horror of the terrorist attacks unfold across New York, something strange was happening to the Eggs.

Not only had they registered the attacks as they actually happened, but the characteristic shift in the pattern of numbers had begun four hours before the two planes even hit the Twin Towers.

They had, it appeared, detected that an event of historic importance was about to take place before the terrorists had even boarded their fateful flights. The implications, not least for the West's security services who constantly monitor electronic 'chatter', are clearly enormous.

'I knew then that we had a great deal of work ahead of us,' says Dr Nelson.

What could be happening? Was it a freak occurrence, perhaps?

Apparently not. For in the closing weeks of December last year, the machines went wild once more.

Twenty-four hours later, an earthquake deep beneath the Indian Ocean triggered the tsunami which devastated South-East Asia, and claimed the lives of an estimated quarter of a million people.

So could the Global Consciousness Project really be forecasting the future?

Cynics will quite rightly point out that there is always some global event that could be used to 'explain' the times when the Egg machines behaved erratically. After all, our world is full of wars, disasters and terrorist outrages, as well as the occasional global celebration. Are the scientists simply trying too hard to detect patterns in their raw data?

The team behind the project insist not. They claim that by using rigorous scientific techniques and powerful mathematics it is possible to exclude any such random connections.

'We're perfectly willing to discover that we've made mistakes,' says Dr Nelson. 'But we haven't been able to find any, and neither has anyone else.

Our data shows clearly that the chances of getting these results by fluke are one million to one against.

That's hugely significant.' But many remain sceptical.

Professor Chris French, a psychologist and noted sceptic at Goldsmiths College in London, says: 'The Global Consciousness Project has generated some very intriguing results that cannot be readily dismissed. I'm involved in similar work to see if we get the same results. We haven't managed to do so yet but it's only an early experiment. The jury's still out.' Strange as it may seem, though, there's nothing in the laws of physics that precludes the possibility of foreseeing the future.

It is possible - in theory - that time may not just move forwards but backwards, too. And if time ebbs and flows like the tides in the sea, it might just be possible to foretell major world events. We would, in effect, be 'remembering' things that had taken place in our future.

'There's plenty of evidence that time may run backwards,' says Prof Bierman at the University of Amsterdam.

'And if it's possible for it to happen in physics, then it can happen in our minds, too.' In other words, Prof Bierman believes that we are all capable of looking into the future, if only we could tap into the hidden power of our minds. And there is a tantalising body of evidence to support this theory.

Dr John Hartwell, working at the University of Utrecht in the Netherlands, was the first to uncover evidence that people could sense the future. In the mid-1970s he hooked people up to hospital scanning machines so that he could study their brainwave patterns.

He began by showing them a sequence of provocative cartoon drawings.

When the pictures were shown, the machines registered the subject's brainwaves as they reacted strongly to the images before them. This was to be expected.

Far less easy to explain was the fact that in many cases, these dramatic patterns began to register a few seconds before each of the pictures were even flashed up.

It was as though Dr Hartwell's case studies were somehow seeing into the future, and detecting when the next shocking image would be shown next.

It was extraordinary - and seemingly inexplicable.

But it was to be another 15 years before anyone else took Dr Hartwell's work further when Dean Radin, a researcher working in America, connected people up to a machine that measured their skin's resistance to electricity. This is known to fluctuate in tandem with our moods - indeed, it's this principle that underlies many lie detectors.

Radin repeated Dr Hartwell's 'image response' experiments while measuring skin resistance. Again, people began reacting a few seconds before they were shown the provocative pictures. This was clearly impossible, or so he thought, so he kept on repeating the experiments. And he kept getting the same results.

'I didn't believe it either,' says Prof Bierman. 'So I also repeated the experiment myself and got the same results. I was shocked. After this I started to think more deeply about the nature of time.' To make matters even more intriguing, Prof Bierman says that other mainstream labs have now produced similar results but are yet to go public.

'They don't want to be ridiculed so they won't release their findings,' he says. 'So I'm trying to persuade all of them to release their results at the same time. That would at least spread the ridicule a little more thinly!' If Prof Bierman is right, though, then the experiments are no laughing matter.

They might help provide a solid scientific grounding for such strange phenomena as 'deja vu', intuition and a host of other curiosities that we have all experienced from time to time.

They may also open up a far more interesting possibility - that one day we might be able to enhance psychic powers using machines that can 'tune in' to our subconscious mind, machines like the little black box in Edinburgh.

Just as we have built mechanical engines to replace muscle power, could we one day build a device to enhance and interpret our hidden psychic abilities?

Dr Nelson is optimistic - but not for the short term. 'We may be able to predict that a major world event is going to happen. But we won't know exactly what will happen or where it's going to happen,' he says.

'Put it this way - we haven't yet got a machine we could sell to the CIA.'

But for Dr Nelson, talk of such psychic machines - with the potential to detect global catastrophes or terrorist outrages - is of far less importance than the implications of his work in terms of the human race.

For what his experiments appear to demonstrate is that while we may all operate as individuals, we also appear to share something far, far greater - a global consciousness. Some might call it the mind of God.

'We're taught to be individualistic monsters,' he says. 'We're driven by society to separate ourselves from each other. That's not right.

We may be connected together far more intimately than we realise.'


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: artbell; box; callingartbell; generator; paranormal; phenomenon; predictions; randomnumbers; strange
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To: Berosus; blam; Ernest_at_the_Beach; FairOpinion; ValerieUSA
Freep this Black Box!!!

141 posted on 02/12/2005 6:20:19 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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To: ConservativeMind
I stand by my assertion that there are no digital chips that can do this. Getting more legitimate random numbers requires an analog interface with much more additional equipment.

Of course the device would need some sort of outside input such as white noise or radioactive decay. The article is not specific enough on its design to know what it is using for the generation. Given that it is described as generating random numbers and not pseudo-random numbers, we must assume that it is using some sort of outside input and is not simply a PRNG.

142 posted on 02/12/2005 6:23:01 PM PST by killjoy (Michael Jackson is proof only in America can a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white woman.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Gee, I didn't realize that thread kept going this far!


143 posted on 02/12/2005 6:25:30 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: neverdem

Actually this is much more fun, than the Arnold bashing, that's going on on the CA threads.


144 posted on 02/12/2005 6:26:40 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: hosepipe

NASA Plans to Read Minds at Airports
http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/news/nasa_brainwaves.htm

August 19, 2002

Officials of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration have told Northwest Airlines security specialists that the agency is developing brain-monitoring devices in cooperation with a commercial firm, which it did not identify.

Space technology would be adapted to receive and analyze brain-wave and
heartbeat patterns, then feed that data into computerized programs "to detect passengers who potentially might pose a threat," according to briefing documents obtained by The Washington Times.

NASA wants to use "noninvasive neuro-electric sensors," imbedded in gates, to collect tiny electric signals that all brains and hearts transmit.

Computers would apply statistical algorithms to correlate physiologic patterns with computerized data on travel routines, criminal background and credit information from "hundreds to thousands of data sources," NASA documents say.


145 posted on 02/12/2005 6:28:43 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: UnklGene

Something is going to happen. Don't know where, don't know what. Just wait, you'll see.


146 posted on 02/12/2005 6:31:19 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: UnklGene

This is nothing.

The bubbles in my beer can predict the future with uncanny accuracy. 9 out of 10 times they are correct that I am going to have another beer.


147 posted on 02/12/2005 6:36:38 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: natewill
"how are we going to find out, other than by experimenting and observing?"

This is a valid point. However, those experiments must be described sufficiently that an impartial observer can repeat them. When repeated, they must produce similar results. The results must be published, along with a description of the methods, in a peer reviewed journal.

148 posted on 02/12/2005 6:42:11 PM PST by norwaypinesavage
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To: FairOpinion

Apparently, the Black Box detected it in advance!


149 posted on 02/12/2005 6:54:37 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Ted "Kids, I Sunk the Honey" Kennedy is just a drunk who's never held a job (or had to).)
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To: UnklGene

This should get interesting.




150 posted on 02/12/2005 7:08:34 PM PST by kalee (Kalee's Tinfoil Bonnets, purveyor of stylish tinfoil bonnets.)
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To: FairOpinion
[ NASA Plans to Read Minds at Airports ]

Its OK....I've had a breakthru..
I WANT the federal gov't to read my MIND...

151 posted on 02/12/2005 7:30:48 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Flightdeck
Most of the people posting on this thread also have the same primitive mentality.

I tend to keep a low profile on threads like these, whether on FR or not, but I know what you mean. It is completely useless to attempt serious discussions about these phenomena/abilities with most people, especially in groups. Once you have seen it, you know, you don't believe it, or feel it, or imagine it, you know it.

Sometimes I wish I could talk about it freely.

152 posted on 02/12/2005 8:37:08 PM PST by lafroste (gravity is not a force, dangit)
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To: natewill
If something like a 'global consciousness' exists, how are we going to find out, other than by experimenting and observing?

This actually fits in well to a biblical/Christian worldview. Not the idea of a "global consciousness" but rather a spiritual realm. If there is the biblical God (and I firmly believe there is) then there are His opponents too...in the spiritual world. Such things would be happy (exited?) in being behind (or in the case of natural disasters, aware of) crises such as 9/11 perhaps causing a blip on a random-number graph.

All I'm saying is scripture teaches an invisible spirit realm, where Christians are opposed by (to use a nearly obsolete word) devils.

"For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places." (Eph. 6:12)

Perhaps the "consciousness" these machines detect IS global, but NOT human.

153 posted on 02/13/2005 6:29:03 AM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
Perhaps the "consciousness" these machines detect IS global, but NOT human.

I understand what you are saying. But in addition to the 'evil principalities' and devils and such, I think there is also room for just 'spirit-type beings', that have neither an allegience to God or Satan. Maybe it isn't their time to commit to one side or another, just as humans have 80 or so years to make that decision for themselves; maybe these spirits just exist and we cannot see them. Too many paranormal experiences have gone unexplained and unanswered to dismiss such ideas. All I'm saying is that it is a possibility.

154 posted on 02/13/2005 10:05:50 AM PST by natewill (Start the revolution NOW!)
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To: lafroste

"Once you have seen it, you know, you don't believe it, or feel it, or imagine it, you know it."

I agree completely. I've had out of body experiences and after, there is no doubt that your consciousness will survive after the body dies. You don't need to have faith, because you simply know.


155 posted on 02/13/2005 1:05:46 PM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: lafroste

"Sometimes I wish I could talk about it freely."

I'm very interested in this subject and want to develop as much of my innate ability as possible. Don't hesitate to FRmail if you have a good story or whatever.


156 posted on 02/13/2005 1:07:19 PM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: all4one

"How about you...are you busy too?"

Extremely. I'm getting a PhD now in Texas and just had a little daughter. Since my wife works also, it's like we have three full-time jobs between the two of us. I can't wait to get back into the "real world" though.


157 posted on 02/13/2005 1:10:13 PM PST by Flightdeck (Liberals see Saddam's mass graves as half full. I prefer to see them as half empty.)
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To: Malsua
Yes, you've got it right. They shot a laser through a Cesium Gas(I think) and the detector at the other end, detected an event shortly before the beam enters the chamber. If I recall they figured something was Hopping across the wave peaks to arrive ahead of when it should have. What hit however was just the leading edge and you couldn't encode anything into it.

That was a really bogus experiment. They shot a gaussian laser pulse into a chamber of excited gas. The excited gas acted like an extremely high gain amplifier to the rising edge of the input pulse. Once the gas emitted its photons and became de-excited, the gain fell. This all happens in a gaussian profile.

The exact same "faster than light" effect could be created with an op-amp and an arrangement of caps, diodes, etc.

158 posted on 02/13/2005 1:36:49 PM PST by mikegi
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To: djf
"There have also been some honest attempts to change the past."

And if they did, how would we know?

159 posted on 02/13/2005 1:52:25 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: ConservativeMind
"there are no true digital random number generator chips."

That's my problem with this too. Where's the point of influence?

The seed is usually a clock, but then the function is usually a function of the prior result. There is no opportunity for an external influence.

The skin reactions are a lot more believable than the number generator experiment.

160 posted on 02/13/2005 2:03:37 PM PST by DannyTN
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