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Sources: USS San Francisco skipper faces admiral's mast in sub grounding
Stars & Stripes ^ | 2/11/5 | Jon R. Anderson

Posted on 02/11/2005 9:13:07 PM PST by SmithL

The skipper of the nuclear-powered submarine that crashed into the side of an undersea mountain is quietly being sent before an “admiral’s mast” in Japan this weekend to face charges of endangering his ship, according to several active-duty and retired Navy sources familiar with the case.

Cmdr. Kevin Mooney was slated to appear before 7th Fleet commander Vice Adm. Jonathan W. Greenert in Yokosuka on Saturday morning, the sources said.

The Navy’s highest form of nonjudicial punishment, admiral’s mast falls short of the criminal proceedings of a court martial, but can result in anything from full exoneration to fines, reprimands, and loss of qualifications.

Publicly, Navy officials decline to comment on Mooney’s case.

“It would be inappropriate to discuss any nonjudicial punishment proceedings at this time,” said Greenert’s spokesman, Cmdr. Ike Skelton.

On Jan. 18, the San Francisco, a Los Angeles-class, fast-attack submarine, is believed to have rammed into an undersea mountain 350 nautical miles south of its homeport at Guam. One sailor was killed and another 23 injured in the incident.

The sub suffered massive damage to its sonar dome and bow structure, but was able to limp back to Guam where it is now in dry dock. Navy officials are still unsure if the sub can be salvaged.

Mooney’s mast, however, comes before the detailed investigation into the accident is complete. And unlike most nonjudicial punishment throughout the rest of the military, sailors from sea-going commands cannot refuse mast and demand a court- martial.

At issue, say officials, is whether charts supplied to Mooney provided any clue of dangerous waters. Officials at the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency in Bethesda, told reporters after the accident that the main maps used by the U.S. Navy did not reveal any obstacle anywhere near the sight of the crash.

Officials familiar with case, however, say another, much older chart was believed to be aboard the San Francisco indicating discolored water several miles away.

Early findings of the Navy’s investigation appear to indicate some level of “questionable” practices by Mooney, according to a Feb. 7 letter obtained by Stars and Stripes to Greenert from the commander of Pacific submarine forces Rear Adm. P.F. Sullivan.

Preliminary findings of the grounding, reads the letter, “highlights the questionable Voyage Planning processes and navigation practices Cdr. Kevin Mooney implemented and maintained while in command. He was responsible for the safe surfaced and submerged navigation of the ship, and should be held accountable.”

Still, the vast majority of the three-page letter outlines Mooney’s many accomplishments while in command of the San Francisco.

Sullivan said he had personally selected Mooney “to correct significant command climate and performance issues” aboard the ship.

Since taking command in late 2003, Sullivan said Mooney was directly responsible for transforming a down-in-the-dumps crew into one of the best in the fleet.

The ship, he wrote, got the highest marks of any Pacific submarine in a grueling Tactical Readiness Evaluation, among other top line certifications of its nuclear propulsion system and engineering departments.

Mooney’s “operational planning skill and command presence ensured the ship’s success in dynamic operations of vital importance to national security,” adds Sullivan.

“In the face of huge quality-of-life challenges faced by his ship, including a five-month deployment to San Diego for material repairs and transforming Guam into a viable submarine homeport, retention and reenlistment rates significantly exceed fleet norms” under Mooney, writes Sullivan.

“Despite the intense scrutiny under which he has been placed as a result of this tragedy, Cmdr. Mooney has conducted himself with honor and dignity. I ask that you consider his positive contributions to the U.S. Navy during your deliberations at Admiral’s Mast.”


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To: SmithL

Good story on the accident here:

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21 posted on 02/11/2005 9:36:36 PM PST by CedarDave (Democrats don't speak -- they rant!)
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To: injin

No.


22 posted on 02/11/2005 9:36:53 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: judicial meanz; submarinerswife; PogySailor; chasio649; gobucks; Bottom_Gun; Dog Gone; HipShot; ...

Ping!


23 posted on 02/11/2005 9:37:47 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: SmithL

Then how was he to have known it was there?


24 posted on 02/11/2005 9:38:05 PM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: injin

That fishing trawler had some of the most sophisticated sensors in the ocean. How did it end up directly over the Greeneville?


25 posted on 02/11/2005 9:38:14 PM PST by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: CitizenM

Oh. Well, hopefully they will give him good defense counsel.


26 posted on 02/11/2005 9:39:19 PM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: injin
They were not running active sonar possibly for reasons dealing with the mission they were on. The thing about active sonar is everyone in the water will be able to tell you are there(nullifying any stealth advantages offered by a sub). Any one who has been active duty on board any ship has heard active sonar. Believe me its loud.

People who have not been in the Navy sometimes don't understand some of these things, like I don't understand Army or Air force. Everyone just know that the Navy practices like its the real thing every time they do something. They play worst case scenario every chance they get.
27 posted on 02/11/2005 9:39:33 PM PST by pennyfarmer (A whole lotta people need some killin. (Not the babies))
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To: SmithL
Officials familiar with case, however, say another, much older chart was believed to be aboard the San Francisco indicating discolored water several miles away.

This doesn't smell right. Everyone from the CO down to the ANAV would have been fried for using a chart other than the one DMA had listed as effective.

28 posted on 02/11/2005 9:39:36 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: doug from upland
It is that. From the limited information I have I wonder on ht basis they hold him responsible other than that someone has to be so held, irrespective of 'real' responsibility. A shame all around.
29 posted on 02/11/2005 9:40:06 PM PST by drt1
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To: Goodgirlinred

It SHOULD have been on his charts (but it wasn't).


30 posted on 02/11/2005 9:40:19 PM PST by SmithL (Proud Submariner)
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To: drt1
Perhaps we need to develop the type passive sonar program that starships use to detect cloaked ships. They look for the absence of background solar noise. If a sub's sonar detects fish talking everywhere except in a mountain shaped area, it might be a mountain.
31 posted on 02/11/2005 9:41:13 PM PST by bayourod (Unless we get over 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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To: drt1

Well, I repeat, how was he to have known it was there if he did not have a nautical map with it shown on it?


32 posted on 02/11/2005 9:41:41 PM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: SmithL
That fishing trawler had some of the most sophisticated sensors in the ocean. How did it end up directly over the Greeneville?

All it had was a fish finder. Those point down and generally not out to the sides much distance.

The Greenville didn't surface straight up. They would never have known it was there till just before it hit.

And even then, it's not like they're used to seeing submarines on the fish finder. Would have likely just looked like a dense school of something heading up rapidly...never would have occured to them what it was.

33 posted on 02/11/2005 9:42:10 PM PST by Strategerist
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To: pennyfarmer

No, it's because active sonar is only used in specific situations like clearing baffles and is usless at 30+ knots anyway.


34 posted on 02/11/2005 9:42:37 PM PST by Doohickey ("This is a hard and dirty war, but when it's over, nothing will ever be too difficult again.”)
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To: Goodgirlinred
No counsel just you and the Old Man during a mast.

Sometimes there has to be a fall guy. No one said that the military is fair, but if you are the captain and bad things happen out of your control it doesn't really matter you will take the fall.

Every ship sinking will result in a captain going to court martial.
35 posted on 02/11/2005 9:44:17 PM PST by pennyfarmer (A whole lotta people need some killin. (Not the babies))
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To: pennyfarmer

That sucks.


36 posted on 02/11/2005 9:45:49 PM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: Goodgirlinred
I agree, without active sonar or a chart that was accurate, he would have no way of knowing. That's why I wonder what else is at play here.

Perhaps he was going faster than the mission or conditions warranted or some other thing but, you're right, without being provided with the proper tools he should not be held responsible for the work product so to speak.

37 posted on 02/11/2005 9:45:56 PM PST by drt1
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To: Rokke

Agreed.


38 posted on 02/11/2005 9:45:57 PM PST by rlmorel (Teresa Heinz-Kerry, better known as Kerry's "Noisy Two Legged ATM")
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To: SmithL

Not his fault then. He should not have to take the fall.


39 posted on 02/11/2005 9:46:39 PM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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To: drt1

Exactly. I wonder what else is going on here?


40 posted on 02/11/2005 9:48:14 PM PST by Goodgirlinred ( GoodGirlInRed Four More Years!!!!!)
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