Posted on 02/11/2005 12:34:49 PM PST by Zender500
More hypocritical wailing from the creationists. This time they even got the facts wrong.
...in other news, Ward Churchill, the controversial Colorado University professor who proclaims 9-11 WTC victims to be culpable in their own deaths, continues to draw a paycheck from the university and retain his tenure as a Professor of Ethnic Studies.
And "information invariably arises from conscious rational activity."
Meyer has fallen and he can't get up.
You disagree? So give an example.
Science is a limited discipline that studies how the world works when there is no supernatural intervention.
Theology is the discipline that studies how the world works when there is supernatural intervention.
Therefore, Inteligent Design, even if absolutely 100% true and provable does not belong in a magazine of Science, any more than it belongs in a magazine on needlepoint.
So9
Nucleosynthesis in stars. The amount of information required to specify the state of, say, an atom of carbon 12 is larger than the amount of information required to specify the state of an atom of hydrogen or an atom of helium. Would Meyer claim that stars are consciously and rationally converting hydrogen and helium into heavier elements?
You disagree? So give an example.
Read any of the hundreds of articles on self organizing complexity demonstrated in Conway's game of "Life" for a start.
The idea that complexity self organizing itself was a violation of the Second Law of Thermodynamics is debunked in Enrico Fermi's "Thermodynamics" written before WWII.
Conway's 'Life' demonstrates this in action using any home computer.
So9
Presumably this means that bioengineers will have to start their own magazines and peer reviewed network or is ID time based? IOW, ID prior to the 20th Century is verboten but it is OK after that time?
But the major component of this story is not ID, evolution, lifes origins or complexity, it is technofascism gone wild if this guys boss actually interrogated him as to his religious beliefs and political affiliation.
Presumably this means that bioengineers will have to start their own magazines and peer reviewed network or is ID time based? IOW, ID prior to the 20th Century is verboten but it is OK after that time?
The rest of us are talking about ID as supernatural intervention in the world, not man's natural processes.
So9
Right, which means your a priori assumption that all ID requires a supernatural being simply wrong. And the evidence for that is all around you.
By the way is the creation of chimeras at will a "natural process".
You're right. His boss shouldn't have wasted time trying to determine if the man had made an error or was temporarily insane, or had decided to corrupt the discipline of science for religious or political reasons and just fired him out of hand.
To hell with attempted compassion.
SO9
To hell with fascists working for the government interrogating their underlings about their religious and political affiliations.
No one rejects the idea of ID by man. All technology is ID by man. It's a phoney issue. That is not what this is about.
That leaves ID by aliens or supernatural entities.
Without evidence of even the existance of alien life, that is not a viable hypothesis, but looking for evidence of alien life is.
And that leaves ID by supernatural entities, which is Theology, not science.
So9
In scientific and other academic scholarship, submitting research to the judgment of other experts in the field ensures that published articles have genuine merit.
Peer review is not perfect and does not guarantee 'genuine merit'. If an editor sends a proposed article out for peer review to people known to favor a certain viewpoint, then peer review may not be objective.
Calling for a new theory is valid science. The current on is certainly not complete, but once supernatural intervention is postulated, all theory is replaced by that one statement. Did trilobites become extinct? Why? God did it. End of story. Are fossil deposits different in this formation than in another? Why? God did it. End of story.
The 'theory' that God Did It trumps every other theory at every other level. Once yo accept it at any point you have no logical reason to reject it at any other. Go directly to the 5th Century, do not pass go, do not collect a mind you will no longer need.
SO9
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