There's a difference between "free speech" and "free rant" -
Posted on 02/11/2005 10:55:36 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Who exactly is being the "nazi" here Travis. I gave my opinion
You made a nasty comment accusing someone of being a racist. If that is truly your opinion, learn from your mistakes, keep it to yourself, and move on.
the stormfronters who have inflitrated and are a big part of initiating the so-called minuteman movement.
The minuteman web site denounces the stormfronters. How have they "initiated" the effort?
Considering what the average donation would be when all donations are divided by all members, it's not paying the rent, more like buying a bottle of cheap wine when dropping by a friend's house--you don't get a say in how the house is run.
You may not. But there is something called the "implied law of return" when money is exchanged with a company. Granted someone would be out of their gourd to litigate it, not am I even remotely suggesting it - but common law does convey a sense of community "ownership" when the community supports an endeavor.
But, keeping your expectations low will assure that you will never be disappointed :-)
That we make the choice to give money does not negate the private ownership of the site, and we give knowing we can be booted at any moment.
See above. There is precident for this. You have an implied right of reasonable use. But yes, you can get booted at any time and probably can't do anything you can do about it in reality.
Private would be paid for by the compay 100%. When a group pays for something, in general, some implied rights are conferred.
Considering what the average donation would be when all donations are divided by all members, it's not paying the rent, more like buying a bottle of cheap wine when dropping by a friend's house--you don't get a say in how the house is run.
If had pooled money to pay for a conference room to meet in, you wouldn't expect to be booted unless you did something eggregious. And the law (almost always small claims) would most likely support you. But then again, who would pursue such a silly thing?
Some interest is always "implied" when finds cross, whether you personally expect it or not.
The point was that the issue is slightly grey. And in theory at least, it really is.
The "It's my party and mine alone" line get blurred when money changes hands.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Interesting but not surprising. Still not sure why a connection was attempted to be made in the first place.
I criticize the President a lot from the right. I'm here.
But whatever is going on doesn't look good. It may be part of what Hannity was talking about about eating our own.
It's Jim's site and he can do what he wants, but he has to expect this kind of criticism when he does.
Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
Agreed. But really, very really of anything is owned by one person any more. ISP's can kick website owners off their servers at will (though they have been sued and lost for doing so on occasion), people who "own" homes can get kicked off if they don't pay rent to the local government (I believe they call it "personal property tax" or some other nicety), etc, etc.
When it comes down to it, everything we do is really at the pleasure of someone else, and whatever it is we are doing can be yanked at anytime by someone or another. It kind of goes without saying.
Now, does that mean that we should give up all expectations to fair and reasonable treatment, especialy if one has helped to financially support an entity? Maybe we should. Maybe we shouldn't. It's hard to say, and will always be some wierd shad of grey.
We just have to hope that people who wield any power, however small, uses it responsibly, maturily, fairly, without bias, and does the righ thing.
As we all know, sometimes they do, and sometimes they don't.
And a cigar is always a cigar. Some cigars are just better than others.
Apparently you are supporting Dane's position on this thread?
That should do wonders for your credibility.
BTT
Considering the drivel I read overthere about "Jewish conspiracies" on FR and in the Bush govt, I'd say that there are notmany conservatives at "Conservative Voice".The place sounded just like DU.
There is one thing one can do...leave and post at another site if one does not agree with the decisions of the mods or the application of fairness .
One does not have to contribute and once done..it has no special privilege attached..
One can contirbute to hire a hall, but if you trash the hall..you can be thrown out.
Agreed.
One does not have to contribute and once done..it has no special privilege attached..
Meg, read please. I agree with you in principle, but there have been situations litigated to this effect where courts have found that there is an "implied" priviledge when money changes hands. You may not agree with that, I may not agree with that, but some judges have and *could* rule in favor of some malcontent who decided to press the issue. I think this would be stupid, as I have stated - but precidents do exists.
Again, it's not about what you or I personally thing, but how the law has looked at a transfer of money between two parties. There is almost always some implied return on the transaction, whether you want it or not. Heck, this even applies to non-profits. If you contribute to a charity, and they decide to do something different with your money, you can go after them. Will you win, maybe, maybe not - but this area is grey, it's not black and white, and our personal opinions don't change that a bit. Everybody just needs to exercise decent judgement while money is being collected because there are 10,000 lawyers who would probably love to take a bite, or at least get some name recognition by doing so.
One can contirbute to hire a hall, but if you trash the hall..you can be thrown out.
True, but if you sue in small claims court, the court would have to find "reasonable cause" for you being thrown out, or else you would probably win the suit.
A difference of opinion has almost never ben shown to be reasonable cause. Someone getting drunk and shouting racial epiteps would be.
Just make sure someone is *really* getting out of hand, and your not just having a bad day and looking for a dog to kick.
Every ISP could, in theory, refuse to route traffic to Free Republic because they don't agree with it's opinions. FR could sue, and probably would win. The ISP's could say "they are our data lines and we can do what we want", but in reality, this is not always held as a valid arguement. Even if the ISP provided free websites to everyone (I believe Geocities has gone through a few of these). When you start taking money from the public, or providing a service that becomes well known from any person or entity, the rules change a bit.
I'm trying to be slightly helpful here. And I don't disagree that someone would have to way too much time on their hands to pursue such a matter. But it can, does, and has happened - so I think not getting too dictatorial is the most prudent course of action.
My 2 cents. I respect your disagreement, but they aren't my rules in the first place.
The courts issued an order, followed by a temporary restraining order (when the refused to comply with the first order) against AOL to stop blocking the traffic.
AOL maintained that they owned their network, but the court said "no".
Personallu, I agree with AOL, and disagree with the court. And you probably do too.
But like I said, our opinions don't count in the matter.
There's a difference between "free speech" and "free rant" -
Bump
The new polls on immigration keep getting more interesting here.
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