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Not so ‘Free Republic’: The Shot Heard Around the Net
The Conservative Voice ^ | Feb 11, 2005 | by William Gheen, President, Americans for Legal Immigration PAC

Posted on 02/11/2005 10:55:36 AM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: wardaddy
It is late. Our War for the free flow of oil is more than that. Our sovereignty is more than that. And our borders are more than that. An oligarchy/theocracy in control of a monopoly of vast oil reserves that supplant western (and eastern) economies may stand in the way of humankind's advancement.

A dilution of the world's greatest actor's character, who holds influence over events that may be key for mankind's survival beyond that which we know today, is unthinkable. And yet, we have both the MSM's hatred for America, Euro-hatred of America (jealousy) and borders open such that, a people that once stood against the old world and her stinking serfdom ways, may fall under the weight of collective criticism, under an anvil of 'correctness'.

I'll not stand for an open border dilution that could ultimately corrupt our message to the rest of the world. If this message cannot be united into a message of one, freedom and liberty will be picked apart by the hyenas and vultures circling the pride. Your pride, my pride.

3,481 posted on 02/16/2005 7:21:29 PM PST by budwiesest (Son of an 8th Air Force, 350th bomb wing, squadron commander.)
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To: rottndog

cogent dog.


3,482 posted on 02/16/2005 7:26:11 PM PST by wardaddy (I don't think Muslims are good for America....just a gut instinct thing.)
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To: budwiesest

The English system of common law, which is our foundation, is a thousand years in development.

Some of the greatest minds on the planet contributed to it's meaning and refinement.

Sadly, it seems that it was almost destroyed in the 20th century, but parts live on.

That is the single greatest tradition and value that made America great.


3,483 posted on 02/16/2005 8:05:41 PM PST by djf
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To: rottndog
It all comes back to LAW ENFORCEMENT

Let's agree that it starts with effective border enforcement. Without that, law enforcement is spotty at best. 20-30 million illegals would require a round-up of major proportions. And, would put us in anything but the best light.

America is a land of laws and you're right. Those who violate our immigration laws should be held accountable. Try as I might, I couldn't come up with an equitable way of assimilating illegals already here, while holding their cousins at bay. Citizenship is all or nothing at all. Given that a non-porous border is attainable, perhaps the best we can hope for might be a 'don't ask, don't tell' policy towards illegals here already to reduce the economic disclocations that might occur.

And that's a best case scenerio.

3,484 posted on 02/16/2005 8:36:58 PM PST by budwiesest
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To: dzzrtrock
The point being made, poobah is not that the Coasties are intecepting all the illegals arriving by sea,

That is a crucial question. Over-the-beach entries are very few--but the Coast Guard cannot handle that relatively small trickle right now.

If they can't handle the very small amount of over-the-beach illegal immigration today, what makes you think they'd be able to handle a vastly greater number tomorrow?

but that I have a pretty good "ear to the ground" on the topic of beach entry. I suspect that you don't.

You don't have a good ear to the ground on this issue. I do.

Further, if we didn't have people chaing foot traffic all over 150,000 sq. miles of desert we could utilize those BP people elsewhere.

Like trying to chase illegals across ten times as much land.

This isn't a problem that is amenable to a force-only solution.

You lost the argument back in 1965.

3,485 posted on 02/17/2005 1:33:10 AM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: janetgreen
I'm in a border state. Knowing many contractors who have used illegals in the past,(and NO NOT ME, I have gringos) the reasons are varied. Only two variances though. One.....CHEAP. Other......THEY WORK HARD AND DON'T ASK QUESTIONS. How much is he making? How Come? How Come I get all the crummy jobs? AAAND if you run up on a bad one, and there's a number of those too, you just don't use them the next day. No firing and unemployment and jazz. Having been on the job site with countless "Spanish speaking workers" (That's illegals for those of you in Rio Linda) most just work. Tell em' to climb up that pole and install those screws with your teeth,....noa prooblam.

Having said that, that will all end when they get complacent,...comfortable. The minute you make them legal, they're just like any construction worker, except.....no English. Plus the addition of....paperwork, insurance, etc. Attractive? Ummmmm.

They work like they do out of desperation. It's not something to revel in. It's a sad commentary on their situation and that of their family's. Answer? Make everyone legal? That's not good post 9-11 policy. Or pre for that matter. I understand what the President is trying to do. It's a bad situation he didn't create but had we stopped this long ago they may have been inclined to straight line their system down south and everyone would be sittin pretty. I may even be taking my family to Cabo. American money would be coming to them instead of them coming to America for money. As it sits now, I'll vacation here, and hire Americans so I can understand what the hell their saying. Picito Espagnol Amigo.

3,486 posted on 02/17/2005 3:00:04 AM PST by ALWAYSWELDING
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To: k2blader

Did you check out the new poll? Looks like some of my concerns about wording....and your questions about participation are going to be answered.


3,487 posted on 02/17/2005 7:04:37 AM PST by TheOtherOne
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To: TheOtherOne

Yep, I saw it but haven't voted yet. I still don't like the wording, so I may take that option. *LOL*


3,488 posted on 02/17/2005 9:06:30 AM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: Poohbah
This isn't a problem that is amenable to a force-only solution.

I've been following the conversation, and I didn't see where he was advocating a force-"only" solution.

I did, however, see where you accused him of making a strawman argument against your position. So apparently only you're allowed to do that.

3,489 posted on 02/17/2005 9:43:56 AM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: inquest
I've been following the conversation, and I didn't see where he was advocating a force-"only" solution.

Get a new eye doctor.

3,490 posted on 02/17/2005 1:54:53 PM PST by Poohbah (God must love fools. He makes so many of them...)
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To: Poohbah
Underwhelming response. It's not there, no matter how much you pretend otherwise.
3,491 posted on 02/17/2005 2:08:40 PM PST by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: Travis McGee; F16Fighter; Bikers4Bush; MileHi; Spiff; drt1; Godebert; StoneColdGOP; ...
If Dane is not immediately banned for calling a freeper a Nazi racist above, we will know for certain that "Free" Republic has jumped the shark for the Open Border Lobby

This will be my last reply on this but I want to get this off my chest.

Who exactly is being the "nazi" here Travis. I gave my opinion and you all in what I consider(again my opinion) a mob mentality wanted no less than my head for daring to give my opinion.

I don't blame Jim for his actions since you and your posse were making me the onus of this thread, instead of the stormfronters who have inflitrated and are a big part of initiating the so-called minuteman movement. In actuality I pity you and your posse for trying to quash people's opinions of which you probably agree with 75% of the time on other political issues.

And one last comment, before I leave this thread.

The majority of those who were glad to see sent into exile for a few days commented that I must be a woman, but it was those same people whose cackling gossip would put the classic TV character gossip of Mrs. Kravitz to shame.

3,492 posted on 02/17/2005 5:21:44 PM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane; Travis McGee; F16Fighter; Bikers4Bush; MileHi; Spiff; drt1; Godebert; StoneColdGOP

IMO you've got LOUSY opinions.


3,493 posted on 02/17/2005 5:25:03 PM PST by drt1
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To: Dane; Travis McGee; Happy2BMe

I thought we cleaned this place up??!!!


3,494 posted on 02/17/2005 5:27:08 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Dane; Travis McGee; Happy2BMe

Maybe Hannity was right...


3,495 posted on 02/17/2005 5:27:27 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Jim Robinson
The owner Jim Robinson and his moderators have launched a sniper style purge against members that disagree with the President’s ‘guest worker’ amnesty or support more control of illegal immigration.

Well, considering that your post hasn't been banned, I would tend to disagree with that.

3,496 posted on 02/17/2005 5:28:13 PM PST by chronotrigger (Send me $5 and I'll send you my picture.)
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To: ApesForEvolution
Did Hannity say exactly which fringe groups he was talking about?
3,497 posted on 02/17/2005 5:33:00 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Long ago and far, far away there once was a shining land they called "America" . . .)
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To: drt1
IMO you've got LOUSY opinions.

In my opinion you suck ass.

3,498 posted on 02/17/2005 5:33:12 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Warning: Not being an open-borders RINO can be dangerous to your FR health.)
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To: Dane

Hows Bout Some Cheese With That WHIIIINE? BTTT


3,499 posted on 02/17/2005 5:33:28 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (I just took a Muhammad and wiped my Jihadist with Mein Koran...come and get me nutbags.)
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To: Dane

Adios.

Don't worry, they'll axe me sooner or later as well.


3,500 posted on 02/17/2005 5:33:55 PM PST by StoneColdGOP (Warning: Not being an open-borders RINO can be dangerous to your FR health.)
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