Posted on 02/11/2005 10:55:36 AM PST by Jim Robinson
Sounds a lot like my story. lol
People think we're "safe" to spout off to, so when I'd hear them give the cleaned-up version they use to "recruit" others... Ugh.
The strong, smart ones I knew always blew off the white trash that pushed it. Real men don't need to find scapegoats.
As for who's in more danger... well, I'd say our culture is too, though with Islam and the French type weenies, Jews are at least tied.
Al I know is, if we want to protect our culture, the last thing we need to do is ally ourselves or even neglect to disassociate ourselves from real bigots. We'll just lose support if we get that stink on us. Heck, I wont even support "us".
Oh yeah. Another one, huh? LOL!!!!
LOL!
4000? LOL!
I thought *I* was the only one who did that!
Yeah and I realized 4000 was wrong too *lol* It's waaaaay past my bedtime.
What's really bad is when it's money!
I should be in bed too. I can't be trusted to post this late. lol
But, I lay down to take a quick nap earlier and woke up after 11pm. Yeeesh. Off to take my bath - it'll help. : )
I'm sorry, but what is a FROBL? :-)
Your post hits on alot of key points. And I think it is a valid and reasonable issue.
Why is it that there is less and less of a place left in this world for people like me? WASP folks, I mean.
Our country has a certain history and attitude about things (I don't mean the country in toto, I mean American history).
My gr-gr-gr-gr grandfather is a civil war veteran.
I don't think that means boo to the Hispanic world. Or the Chinese world. Or the Arab world.
But it means something to me. And I see these heritages and lessons being washed away.
Americans are still predominantly of european descent.
We have this country, and the Hispanics have Mexico.
But tomorrow, we might wake up, and they'll have Mexico, they'll have America, and we will be outsiders in our own land.
I don't think asking these questions makes me a racist.
But it seems more and more that if you're white, you're not allowed to be proud of anything.
It doesn't make you a racist...it makes you normal.
If they were in our shoes, they would react the same or worse.
Take 30 million gringos down to Venezuela and them we are here to stay and we want things done our way....and all sorts of freebies even though were illegal.
That would quickly unite both that idiot Chaevez and the old Castillian gentry to quickly run our asses down the hill from Caracas to macuto and into the warm waters of the Caribbean for a long swim.
It would be the same story anyhwere ...even the most desperate places.
Yes. But do you and your buddies hound them they way you do those who want the border enforced?
What about the other race baiters?
Trinity_TX, I agree with the two posts I saw of yours in response to mine. I'll check out your others on this thread later.
I am utterly disgusted with any set of values that *dehumanizes* other human beings on the basis of those things that they cannot control. Race is one of those things and it puzzles me that anyone who values justice and righteousness could endorse Jim Crow, state enforced segregation, etc.
But by the same token, outside of western ethnic groups, every other ethnic group in the world is ethnocentric. Their perspective on history, culture, values, standards of behavior, etc are all based on the central concern of what benefits their ethnic group.
So I see nothing wrong with bearing this ethnocentrism in mind as we consider issues that touch on it, and encouraging others to not be naive as well.
Does this sound sympathetic to what some racists might say? Well, I suppose, but then I cannot disagree with *everything* a racist might say. I do not see the point of avoiding any coincidental agreement with racists regarding common sense views that impact my ethnic group - American citizens.
America is the first (and only, to my knowledge) nationality based not on a common language and religion, but on a love of individual freedom and democratic-republican government. Anyone that also so loves our Republic is fully an American citizen if born here or naturalized, and regardless of any other accidents of birth.
And though I despise anyone that dehumanizes another American due to these accidents of birth, they are not always wrong about everything. I am not going to abandon all my other political views, religious beliefs, or even science and math simply because some racist somewhere shares the same beliefs.
These racists might also provide good information (though it would have to be independently validated) and lines of argument for political action (like in regard to the opposition to criminal immigration). If so, I will use that information, that argument, if it is accurate and not in conflict with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Should I refrain from using thought and information from Jared Taylor's 'Paved With Good Intentions' because many consider him to be a racist? Is anyone that admits to reading his book to be considered tainted and shunned for having exposed themselves to verbotten thought? This is absurd.
But I am also not going to get distracted and start attacking those who would support the same goals I have because they have, perhaps via innocence or niavete, linked up with questionable racist elements. As long as they are not themselves given over to some racist pagan ideology then I would work with them and suggest that they give the racists a cold shoulder.
But how you define what is racist is also a problem. Are the authors of 'The Bell Curve' anti-black racists for suggesting that blacks, for whatever reason, have lower average IQs than that of whites? But if so, then are they also anti-white racists for reporting that Japanese immigrants also have higher IQs on the average than whites do?
To me, a race-ist is someone who values a human being solely on the basis of the racial identity. It is not simply someone who has somehow come to categorical beliefs regarding some races or ethnic groups. Would I be a racist for saying that blacks are more prone to certain blood disorders? Of course not, so why is there this refusal to discuss other biological/cultural/political inclinations of various ethnicities in the USA?
I think the answer to that question is that racism has never been really discussed and rejected as a concept except among the most educated of us. The rest of the country has been simply *shamed* into rejecting racism; a correct value to hold, but without a rational framework, it becomes reflexive.
To merely *appear* to be racist is enough to cause friends to shun you, for you to be passed over for promotions or even fired, like a manager in DC a few years back who was fired for using the word 'niggardly' which is not a racist term at all. His friends abandoned him, he was given death threats and who knows what would have been his fate had the local media not picked up on it and exposed it.
I think the guy that runs FR may have fallen into this kind of reflexive shunning, but that is his right since it is his website. ALIPAC I am sure are a bunch of big boys and can find their own resources or ways around the banning. Their world has not come crashing to an end due to being banned from one website.
The single most crucial issue today for America is not the War on Terror, though it is a close number 2.
The single most critical issue facing Amereica today is criminals sneaking into this country and our government being completely impotent to stop them.
Not only does this make the War on Terror a war totally lacking in defense, but it also guarantees the cultural/political/demographic dissolution of the United States by people who neither value our Republic, our way of life, our laws, nor even freedom itself.
They are as unAmerican as one can imagine and this is nothing to do with race, but everything to do with their values.
And this criminal infiltration must be stopped or else this great and unique experiment in democratic-Republicanism will have failed and mankind and the future of mankind will be far the poorer for its loss.
Very well thought out and written post. You are certainly correct, racism is not a simple black-or-white issue.
For cryin out loud, the last ten people I heard use the "N" word were, well, not caucasian.
I really don't care who comes here, with one caveat: I don't want to see our institutions and values be swept away.
I would very much like to be able to be able to go into a store and ask the person behind the counter something, and have them understand and respond in English.
There are companies now that are having trouble with outsourcing because of the language barrier.
If foreigners want to come here, it should be them trying to accommodate our ways, rather than them making us adapt theirs. That includes the English language.
How, exactly, is the border "FReep" called the Minuteman Project "vigilantism"?
We've had private groups go out and clean up the disgusting mounds of garbage left all over the desert (trash, meds, clothes, water bottles, feces covered toilet paper, used feminine hygeine products, etc.) by the border intruders. These people went on to Federal or State land and cleaned up the garbage. This was the job of the Federal or State governments respectively. Were these concerned citizens engaging in "vigilantism"?
FITZ didn't break any FR rules, nor did he promote Minuteman Project, he was just debating the problems if illegal immigration yet he got banned. Unbelievable...
That's sad.
Let's put it this way. If they built the large wall that I'd like to see anyone attempting to climb over the thing would be a potential terrorist.
And if we were to do it right on the U.S. side of that wall would be a 200 yard wide mine field. Signs would be posted on the mexico side saying as much.
Anyone crossing the border at any location other than the designated, legal crossing points is extremely suspicious and obviously sneaking into the U.S. for nefarious reasons. It is illegal to cross at any other point and a citizen has the right (duty) to perform a citizens arrest and turn the intruder over to the proper authorities. Since that is a dangerous proposition some citizens (like me) prefer to observe from a distance and report the intruder via cell phone and continue to observe until the Border Patrol of Sheriff's Department arrives to apprehend the intruder.
"It is illegal to cross at any other point"
An excellent point that I had overlooked.
It is unbelievable that some folks don't see the illegality in it all.
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