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Males slow to realise 'men are quick thinkers' claim could offend
The Australian ^ | February 07, 2005 | Roger Dobson and Will Iredale

Posted on 02/11/2005 6:20:56 AM PST by presidio9

BOYS may be outperformed by girls at school but there is a glimmer of hope for them. Researchers claim to have found scientific proof that men can think faster than women.

Their study found that men's brain cells could transmit nerve impulses faster than women's – potentially giving males the intellectual edge.

The claim will add fuel to the debate recently triggered by Larry Summers, the president of Harvard University, who challenged the prevailing wisdom when he suggested women were innately less able than men in subjects such as maths and science.

The new study is likely to prompt similar anger. This weekend, the intellectual credentials of the researchers – all male – were themselves already being challenged by other eminent neurologists. In the study, scientists measured nerve conduction velocity, the speed at which messages passed through and between brain cells.

Other studies have suggested the speed of such impulses is linked to intelligence, drawing parallels with computers, where faster processors result in more power to carry out tasks quickly.

The latest paper, to be published shortly in the academic journal Intelligence, will say: "Males had four faster NCVs than females. This very significant sex difference in all test conditions in favour of males was most unexpected."

Under the research, scientists carried out investigations on 186 male and 201 female Canadian students, who were subjected to a battery of cognitive tests to assess their intelligence and other mental skills.

Researchers also measured the length of their subjects' heads to estimate the distance impulses would have to travel from the eye to the primary visual cortex, which interprets what someone is seeing.

Then they used electrodes to measure how long it took for an image flashed in front of the eye to send an impulse back to the visual cortex.

Professor Edward Reed, a zoologist at Toronto University, and Philip Vernon and Andrew Johnson, psychologists at the University of Western Ontario, found the impulses were speeding through men's brains faster than through women's. They suggest this is because the nerves in men's brains have a slightly thicker coating of myelin, a fatty material which protects the nerves and improves conductivity.

The report concludes: "We find that males have four faster NCVs than females with each of the three test conditions, probably due to their faster increase of white matter in the brain during adolescence."

The researchers appear to have realised only recently that such conclusions could prove political and controversial. This weekend all three were refusing to comment on their findings although Vernon said he would consider replying to emails.

It has long been clear that men's and women's brains do have important differences and each tends to perform certain tasks slightly better than the other. For example, some studies suggest men have better spatial skills, while women may be more emotionally aware and verbally fluent.

However, most experts point out that the differences are small compared with the similarities and that there is far more variation between individuals than genders.

Bruce Burns, assistant professor in the department of psychology at Michigan State University, conducted a study of chess players, suggesting those who were quicker thinkers were likely to make better moves.

He said: "There is controversy about sex difference but there seems to be a fair amount of agreement that men do tend to have better visual spatial skills. However, I am not sure we can say that makes them more intelligent."

Desmond Morris, the social anthropologist and zoologist, said evolutionary pressures were likely to have given men and women slightly different skills. "Perhaps men's better visual responses came from having to hunt animals while women developed personal skills from child-rearing and co-operating to grow or gather plants," he said.

However, others reject such simple analyses, comparing the methods of the Canadian research to phrenology, a discredited Victorian science which attempted to link intelligence, creativity and other mental faculties to the size and shape of people's skulls.

Professor Steven Rose, director of the brain and behaviour research group at Britain's Open University, said previous studies suggested no difference in decision-making between men and women. "It is true that men and women use different parts of the brain for similar tasks but the time taken to complete the tasks is identical."

Bea Campbell, the feminist writer and historian, also questioned the findings. "The distribution of intelligence is much the same for all genders and all races," she said. "Our experience and common sense tells us that the quest to prove one or another biological group is brainier than the other is really a vain exercise."


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To: LauraleeBraswell
"...while women ARE more emotionally aware and verbally fluent."

I wouldn't call that an advantage.

81 posted on 02/11/2005 7:52:36 AM PST by MonroeDNA (US OUT of the UN!)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
WE see more shades of red than you And are able to use both sides of the brain at the same time while you BOYS can only use 1 side Quickness is not an intellectual edge.

Yeah... and how long did it take you to come up that argument?

;)

82 posted on 02/11/2005 7:54:39 AM PST by kevkrom (If people are free to do as they wish, they are almost certain not to do as Utopian planners wish)
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To: presidio9
"The distribution of intelligence is much the same for all genders and all races..."

Not true.

83 posted on 02/11/2005 7:56:04 AM PST by MonroeDNA (US OUT of the UN!)
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To: Paloma_55

"intelligence is a subjective term"My thoughts as well.You hit the nail on the head re:men are better at some things,women better at others.imo/this specialization(of skills+intelligence)allowed humans to survive and evolve from tree dwelling proto humans to modern homosapiens.


84 posted on 02/11/2005 8:13:09 AM PST by thombo
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To: presidio9

As far as raw speed, there are a number of reasons why men might be faster than women, thinking-wise. Though none of it appears to matter for things that take more than a second.

The nerve speed is one. Another is the difference in brain structure. In the male, most caclulation is done in one lobe or the other, whereas in the female, a lot is transmitted back and forth via the corpus colaseum.

There are quite a number of differences which suggest that an especially fast response to the environment is designed into the male. Math seems related to the navigational ability that males are predisposed towards. This also appears to be the designated use for the increased number of brain cells that the male has compared to the female.


85 posted on 02/11/2005 8:20:23 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Mathemagician
DON'T COMPARE RACE AND GENDER.

I agree. We should ban all scientific research that makes LauraleeBraswell uncomfortable.

Differences in Race would be different from differences in sex, or probably even gender. Throwing each into the same pot is just ignorant.

Now if someone was comparing the differences between sexes between different races, that would be a different thing.

86 posted on 02/11/2005 8:24:56 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: HamiltonJay
Men (GENERALLY) tend to be linear thinkers, and task oriented and don't multi task well. Women tend to be more organic thinkers, multitask incredibly well.

This is just the way it is.

Though if you teach a male to play a musical instrument before the age of about 6, they tend to develop a brain which is structurally more like that of a female than like that of other males.

87 posted on 02/11/2005 8:26:28 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Of course, one of the other things men are better at is not giving a good goddamn about offending the ultra-sensitive.

And not having a clue as to why she's crying. :)

88 posted on 02/11/2005 8:27:38 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: thombo


I agree.


89 posted on 02/11/2005 8:29:07 AM PST by LauraleeBraswell (Forgive Russia, Ignore Germany, Punish France - Condoleezza Rice)
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To: Mathemagician
I agree! After all, it isn't like gender is genetic! Just like homosexuality, being female is a behavioral choice.

O.K. That was obvious stupidity...so I'm going to assume there was some subtle point you were trying to make.

Please elaborate.

90 posted on 02/11/2005 8:30:13 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: presidio9

This is the story of 4 people men, that is Everybody Somebody Anybody and Nobody, There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it Anybody could have done it Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody;s job, Everybody thought anybody could do it, but nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when actually Nobody accused Anybody.


91 posted on 02/11/2005 8:31:22 AM PST by lillybet
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To: presidio9

"some studies suggest men have better spatial skills, while women may be more emotionally aware and verbally fluent"

Translation - Men use logic, women cry a lot and talk too much.


92 posted on 02/11/2005 8:32:17 AM PST by ItsOurTimeNow ("I don't know what you expect staring into the TV set")
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To: Flightdeck
There is some interesting research done on people who have had the main connective bunch of nerves surgically severed

Like the guy tring to do the puzzle with only one of his hands, and having the other hand keep creeping up onto the table because it knows how to do it.

93 posted on 02/11/2005 8:32:56 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: presidio9
Wait a minute. I remember reading not too long ago that it all depends on how big a crease you have in your brain. The closer the crease, the faster you think. This was proven. IT has nothing to do with gender. NO crease---you're a genious. BIg crease---you're slow.
94 posted on 02/11/2005 8:34:23 AM PST by Sassy_Sissy ( http://www.democratsindecline.com)
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To: presidio9

If women are so smart, why to men run the world?


95 posted on 02/11/2005 8:34:24 AM PST by Cowboy Bob (Fraud is the lifeblood of the Democratic Party)
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To: arasina
I'm with you on this one, but it could be that women just don't have as much experience at 'whipping it out' as men do. :o)

I dunno. Most women I know go shopping more times than I go pee, or the other stuff. :)

96 posted on 02/11/2005 8:36:13 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: SilentServiceCPOWife
And that's why when women try to talk to men when they are watching TV or surfing the net, they get a "Did you say something, Honey?" fifteen minutes after they've asked the question. begun asking the question.
97 posted on 02/11/2005 8:38:05 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: Mr. Jeeves
It's already been well established that even if there isn't much difference in average intelligence distribution between men and women, men are far more likely to be found at the extremes of the spectrum. More male geniuses than female - but also more male idiots than female.

Looking at Einstein's brain shows that it is very abnormal. Certain parts of the brain are quite poorly developed.

As for your original statement, that also applies to lefties: More likely to be geniuses, and more likely to be insane or retarded.

98 posted on 02/11/2005 8:41:38 AM PST by lepton ("It is useless to attempt to reason a man out of a thing he was never reasoned into"--Jonathan Swift)
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To: LauraleeBraswell
And are able to use both sides of the brain at the same time while you BOYS can only use 1 side

That explains a lot of female behavior!

99 posted on 02/11/2005 8:42:33 AM PST by Spirochete
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To: HamiltonJay

I agree.

Multi-task is my middle name. I don't see it as a bad thing either. It has its advantages and its faults.

Men think in straight lines point A to B to C etc. all the way to Z.

Women think in webs where they can see how A gets tied to F later and if they do K now, it will make B & C go much faster and totally make it possible to skip M thru S. That way they get to Z much quicker and can go shopping for shoes.

Or in my case, sinks.


100 posted on 02/11/2005 8:42:54 AM PST by najida (Where is my smelling nose dog and my parking space! I have Anomsia, ya know.)
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