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Liberals Sinking In Polls (Woo-Hoo for Canada!)
CNEWS ^ | February 10, 2005 | Bill Rodgers

Posted on 02/10/2005 4:27:17 PM PST by UpHereEh

The same-sex marriage debate and an almost daily dose of AdScam could be having an effect on the fortunes of Canada's two main parties, a new poll suggests. Liberal voter support has slipped three points to 38% across the country, but they've lost a whopping 10% in vote-rich Ontario.

The Conservatives have gained three points nationally, rising to 29% and their support in Ontario has jumped six points to 32%.

The SES poll shows Grit support in the country's most populous province has plunged to 44%, compared to the 54% support it enjoyed in an SES poll last October.

Quebec is the only region where federal Liberal support grew in the latest poll --up four points to 36%. They still trail the Bloc by nine points.

SES pollster Nik Nanos is cautious about what's causing the swings in central Canada, saying it's likely to be a combination of factors.

"It could be that the Liberals might be picking up support in Quebec because of their position on same-sex (marriage) and then maybe the Conservatives (are) picking up a few more points in rural and small-town Ontario (for their opposition to it)," Nanos said.

The SES survey of 1,000 Canadians shows Jack Layton's New Democrats remaining steady nationally with 17% of voter support, followed by the Bloc Quebecois at 11%, based solely on its popularity in Quebec. The Green Party stands at 5%.

The number of uncommitted voters was 12%

The SES random telephone survey was conducted between Jan. 28 and Feb. 2 and is considered accurate within 3.1%, plus or minus, 19 times out of 20.


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: canada; samesexmarriage
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To: conservative in nyc

Sounds pretty accurate to me, well done.


21 posted on 02/10/2005 4:56:51 PM PST by UpHereEh (Standing with the U.S.Eh!)
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To: Dog Gone

C'est "Le Bloc"--the Quebecois (Quebecer) interest Party. ...sorta like a nationalist group that wants more control and stuff for Quebec, only. ...corrections from Canadians welcome, here.


22 posted on 02/10/2005 4:58:06 PM PST by familyop ("If you disrespect women you are not allowed to wear a mohawk" (Feminist Creed).)
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To: All

Thanks for the explanations. I don't expect a lot of praise for American leadership coming out of Ontario anytime soon.


23 posted on 02/10/2005 4:59:04 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone

Non-Quebecois Canadians don't want Quebec to secede, you see, because they love the votes and other political support that comes from the Quebecois so much.

...little humor and irony there.

And no, we Americans don't want Quebec, thank you. You may keep it for yourselves. LOL!


24 posted on 02/10/2005 5:01:48 PM PST by familyop ("If you disrespect women you are not allowed to wear a mohawk" (Feminist Creed).)
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To: UpHereEh

"Doubt it, it's a regional separitist party in Quebec that consists mainly of french-speaking liberal minded socialists."

IF you think Bloc is separatist you don't understand Quebec. They will never seperate because they would not be economically sustainable as a nation. They know that and the know how to play it.

30% of the vote in Canada gives you more clout than 100% of the vote in an independent Quebec.


25 posted on 02/10/2005 5:02:40 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: familyop

Dead on! Quebec wants to be a seperate country which by all means, don't let the door hit you on the way out. They had a referendum to seperate (among themselves) but if the vote would have been put to all of Canada they would have been long gone. The western provinces and the eastern maritimes want to seperate and leave Ontario and Quebec in the dust which just my happen sooner than we all think.


26 posted on 02/10/2005 5:05:01 PM PST by UpHereEh (Standing with the U.S.Eh!)
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To: familyop

Not corrections here. Surprisingly you have a better grasp of the situation than some Canadians on this thread.


27 posted on 02/10/2005 5:06:24 PM PST by beaver fever
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To: beaver fever

One can only hope!


28 posted on 02/10/2005 5:06:28 PM PST by UpHereEh (Standing with the U.S.Eh!)
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To: beaver fever

That referendum was awfully close, obviously the province of Quebec is pretty clearly divided on the issue.


29 posted on 02/10/2005 5:09:16 PM PST by UpHereEh (Standing with the U.S.Eh!)
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To: beaver fever
30% of the vote in Canada gives you more clout than 100% of the vote in an independent Quebec.

Another example of why parliamentary democracies differ from the one in America.

Yours is more complex, and arguably more democratic. Yet it gives extraordinary power to fringe parties in close elections, which is arguably far less democratic.

30 posted on 02/10/2005 5:14:14 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: UpHereEh
It could be that the Liberals might be picking up support in Quebec because of their position on same-sex (marriage

The french sector. Who knew ? ;-)
31 posted on 02/10/2005 5:14:21 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Viking2002

Hey Viking, I am from Canada and had to move to the U.S. because the patronage politics and games just made my head spin. At least in the U.S the Republicans have an element of conservatism, unlike the old conservative party which was basically Liberal-Lite. The new Conservative party freaked out a lot of Canadians because, well, they were conservative and not socialist. They still have about a third of the popular vote, the rest is split between the leftists and the socialists with a sprinkling of communists getting a pinch of support.


32 posted on 02/10/2005 5:16:29 PM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: KateatRFM
How socialist "the conservative party is going to take your away!!!!" The first step to global political harmony should be to call all socialist parties SOCIALISTS, regardless of country.
33 posted on 02/10/2005 5:20:33 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE!)
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To: cfrels
"Ya hey, Eh, just wait until all our US moonbats move up there to escape BUSHCOUNTRY....you'll be right back where you started!"

As if the draft dodgers and deserters who came up here in the late 60's and early 70's and then proceeded - like socialist cadres everywhere - to worm their way into our most culturally sensitive institutions weren't already enough of a problem?

Trust me, they're a more than significant contributing factor to the current dismal Kanuckistani status quo and wishing any more of America's social misfits on us is plainly the moral equivalent of dumping toxic waste into your neighbor's backyard
34 posted on 02/10/2005 5:35:17 PM PST by GMMAC (lots of terror cells in Canada - I'll be waving my US flag when the Marines arrive!)
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To: longtermmemmory

Canadas extreme liberalism can only be explained by their ardent desire to be seen as relevant and forward thinking... as well as a healthy dose of complacency among its citizenry.


35 posted on 02/10/2005 5:35:24 PM PST by floridavoter2
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To: UpHereEh; beaver fever
"...but if the vote would have been put to all of Canada they would have been long gone."

I had forgotten about that most important detail, probably because of much of the trash that was coming at us from the media (including US media) back then. Thank you for reminding me.
36 posted on 02/10/2005 5:36:43 PM PST by familyop ("If you disrespect women you are not allowed to wear a mohawk" (Feminist Creed).)
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To: Dog Gone
"Yours is more complex, and arguably more democratic."

...not in at least one part of the Government up there (lawmaking, IIRC). Canadian senators are essentially appointed by their Prime Minister, if I read correctly on that (corrections welcome again). And Trudeau started that policy, IIRC.
37 posted on 02/10/2005 5:48:36 PM PST by familyop ("If you disrespect women you are not allowed to wear a mohawk" (Feminist Creed).)
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To: familyop

I'm no expert on Canadian law, but I think the Senate is largely honorary and has little power.


38 posted on 02/10/2005 5:54:09 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: familyop

Correct again, but I'll add that in addition to appointing senators, the governing party also appoints judges to the supreme court, and the bureaucracy including the CRTC and CBC. They run parliment, the courts and the media.


39 posted on 02/10/2005 5:58:17 PM PST by UpHereEh (Standing with the U.S.Eh!)
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To: doc30
Well, welcome to the fight, doc. I'd like to do a conservative vs. liberal 'prisoner swap' with your homeland. Then mine the damned border. LOL


40 posted on 02/10/2005 6:00:07 PM PST by Viking2002 (Let's get the Insurrection started, already..............)
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