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Dismissed Weyco smokers hit major TV shows
Capitol ^ | Feb 7, 2005 | Sharon Terlep

Posted on 02/07/2005 12:47:37 PM PST by SheLion

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To: retrokitten

And, if a business and employees were smart, they'd get rid of all health benefits and go to the open market for health benefits. Just think of the competition it would create. Instead of thousands of businesses vying for price, it would be millions of individuals looking for bargains. Think Geico for health insurance.


61 posted on 02/07/2005 1:31:43 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
Gays are protected already.

Perhaps in some cities and states but not by the Feds.

62 posted on 02/07/2005 1:31:53 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: SheLion

"Hanging on for the ride"???? What about helping to SLAM THE BRAKES?

I mean, President Bush just put forth a $2.57 TRILLION budget to Congress--& that's w/ cuts in 150 federal programs! Will he be the one who 1st submits a $3 trillion budget? Or how 'bout a $4 trillion???

This is a total outrage.


63 posted on 02/07/2005 1:32:20 PM PST by libertyman
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To: Modernman

Fire someone for being gay, see what happens.


64 posted on 02/07/2005 1:32:39 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: SheLion

She's not overly empathetic, however, with employees who get fired because they violate company policies - no matter what those policies are.

"If you know that going into the situation, you're aware of what could happen," she said.

Unless of course the rules change in the middle of your career.

65 posted on 02/07/2005 1:32:45 PM PST by SoDak (hoist that rag!)
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To: hushpad
My understanding is that health costs related to smoking aren’t significant. Not if you want to compare it to costs associated with childbirth, for instance.

 The BIG LIE That Smoking is an Economic Burden To Society

66 posted on 02/07/2005 1:32:54 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Indy Pendance
Fire someone for being gay, see what happens.

They'll sue you and, in most places, they'll lose.

67 posted on 02/07/2005 1:33:43 PM PST by Modernman (What is moral is what you feel good after. - Ernest Hemingway)
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To: SheLion
She's not overly empathetic, however, with employees who get fired because they violate company policies - no matter what those policies are.

No matter what those policies are....oh really? What about policies that ban you from: 1. consuming wine with dinner at your home? 2. driving convertible sports cars? or SUV's? 3. frequenting "certain" entertainment establishments? 4. wearing "certain" clothing while at the pools...perhaps no bikinis allowed to be wore, ever? This is outrageous, ridiculous, and instrusive. It violates the Constitutional Rights given to ALL Americans...the protections for the pursuit of LIFE, LIBERTY, and an individual's HAPPINESS...not the Company's, not the Government's, but the INDIVIDUAL's RIGHT.

68 posted on 02/07/2005 1:34:53 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Vicomte13

ping


69 posted on 02/07/2005 1:34:55 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: trumandogz

Say this happens, "Joe, your fired, we don't want gays working here." You don't think there'd be a lawsuit? In a heartbeat, and the gay would win.


70 posted on 02/07/2005 1:35:11 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: SheLion

That is why he/she/it is the "employer", as an employee I have no right to work in their place of business...

Sounds conservative to me...


71 posted on 02/07/2005 1:35:40 PM PST by dakine
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To: retrokitten

I like that. Give employees a yearly amount that they can spend on health insurance, and then let them go find their own deal. If they get sick or injured from something they do on their own time, then they truly have to deal with.

And if you hurt yourself to the point that you can't do your job, then you have essentially fired yourself.


72 posted on 02/07/2005 1:35:59 PM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: SheLion

If healthcare was the issue, why didn't they just deny them insurance or increase their rates instead of firing them?


73 posted on 02/07/2005 1:36:15 PM PST by Pest (My reality check bounced!)
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To: peacebaby
BIG GOVERNMENT scares me.

This is not big government. This is a private corporation. Those advocating this corporation be prohibited from firing smokers are the ones advocating BIG GOVERNMENT.

74 posted on 02/07/2005 1:37:53 PM PST by Tribune7
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To: Modernman
Yup. A day-care center could not fire an employee for being a member of NAMBLA.

Yes, being a member of NAMBLA is a "Legal Activity" that is done in the "Privacy or your Home."

But somehow, I do not think most people on this thread understand the 'unintended consequences' of this law.

75 posted on 02/07/2005 1:37:55 PM PST by trumandogz
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To: SheLion

The employer gave the women a deadline to quit smoking. Smoking can be an addiction. Anyone here on this thread addicted to anything? Anyone here try to kick an addiction? It's not easy.


76 posted on 02/07/2005 1:37:59 PM PST by peacebaby ("...please refrain from impugning my integrity." Dr. Condoleezza Rice, 1/18/05)
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To: trumandogz
This law if passed will protect smokers but it will also protect gays, Communists, drunks, cross-dressers, atheists, pornographers and every other legal thing people may do in their homes.

So...............you are another one that wants to chop off the heads of people who smoke?  All of the above except legally smoking a cigarette, is done behind closed doors, and therefore, none of my business.  I don't like the list you gave but being an American, I still respect the people to believe as they like. 

As long as they are in their own homes, who are they hurting?  I am fighting for the rights of business owners who do not want smoking bans, and I am fighting to keep Freedom of Choice.  Freedom of Choice still covers you, even if you DON'T smoke!

77 posted on 02/07/2005 1:38:01 PM PST by SheLion (God bless our military members and keep them safe.)
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To: Modernman
I disagree, I think they'd win. Look at all the progress they've made, just with the marriage amendment for example. We have to tolerate them in every aspect of life. It's really sick that one small segment of society bases the outcome of law on what they stick where with their bodies. It's all about a perverted lifestyle. Frankly, I'm sick of gays forcing their deviant lifestyle on Americans.
78 posted on 02/07/2005 1:38:28 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: SheLion

I am starting to suspect that we don't have all the information about these terminations.

I am wondering if the employer created a non-smoking environment, but found that the smokers were still smoking on the premises or taking additional breaks because they needed to smoke.


79 posted on 02/07/2005 1:39:02 PM PST by Madeleine Ward
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To: randog
What if you ingest drug-masking products that allow you to pass company drug tests?

Which is why a lot of places are switching to the hair test.

80 posted on 02/07/2005 1:39:21 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Naked Mole Rats are sweet, gentle and love to cuddle. Bring a colony home today for your Valentine)
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