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Vatican official says resignation a matter for pope's 'conscience'...
Drudge Report ^ | 2/7/2005 | Matt Drudge

Posted on 02/07/2005 10:42:58 AM PST by Rutles4Ever

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The pope will not abdicate without "help".
1 posted on 02/07/2005 10:42:58 AM PST by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever

He just better stay out of the Ukraine and Georgia.


2 posted on 02/07/2005 10:43:38 AM PST by ClintonBeGone (In politics, sometimes it's OK for even a Wolverine to root for a Buckeye win.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

after the other story today about how grave his condition actually was, and the way he looked after 4 does of 'recovery' I think this is going to be a moot point soon.


3 posted on 02/07/2005 10:44:20 AM PST by Mr. K
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To: Rutles4Ever

In other words, no resignation is forthcoming. After all, if he had a conscience, he'd have long since purged the child molestors out of the Church, and shown moral support for the just war against Saddam.


4 posted on 02/07/2005 10:48:21 AM PST by thoughtomator (reporting from Cylon-occupied Caprica)
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Well, he's been all but declared dead by the media (and his fellow priests) numerous times. There's no reason to believe he won't have a full recovery.

However... the "several more days" in the hospital scenario is not heartening. The dread fear is that he will contract pneumonia, which is why they don't want him back to his regular duties yet.

It was reported that initially the pope refused to be taken to the hospital. He was ultimately convinced.

At any rate, this is no reason for him to resign. He's not senile. And besides, the only people that demanded the Christ stop being God while He died an agonizing death on the cross were His enemies...


5 posted on 02/07/2005 10:48:21 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (This is my tagline.)
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To: thoughtomator

Sorry - nope. But thanks anyway.


6 posted on 02/07/2005 10:49:57 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (This is my tagline.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

I saw it happen up close with my own eyes, the Church shielding child molestors while simultaneously hanging good priests out to dry. The guy in charge has to take responsibility for that.


7 posted on 02/07/2005 10:52:49 AM PST by thoughtomator (reporting from Cylon-occupied Caprica)
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I agree that there has to be accountability. I'm not sure the Pope can wield that power anymore....


8 posted on 02/07/2005 10:54:58 AM PST by Rutles4Ever (This is my tagline.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

It will probably be a moot point quite soon. The competitors for succession don't exactly fill me with hope for the future, unfortunately.


9 posted on 02/07/2005 10:57:28 AM PST by thoughtomator (reporting from Cylon-occupied Caprica)
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>>>>>>>>In other words, no resignation is forthcoming. After all, if he had a conscience, he'd have long since purged the child molestors out of the Church, and shown moral support for the just war against Saddam.

And if you had a conscience--or a brain--you wouldn't write garbage like that.

10 posted on 02/07/2005 11:00:47 AM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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Watch out! If THE GUY in charge always has to take complete responsibility, how does that play on W and the Abu-Grabem mess?
11 posted on 02/07/2005 11:02:07 AM PST by skimbell
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To: Rutles4Ever

I read in the European press today that the Pope was within 10 minutes of death when taken to the hospital. He had refused hospitalization but suddenly became unable to breathe and consented to go. However, the report said that even if the Pope does return, he will probably have lost the power of speech (because of his Parkinson's). Personally, I don't think speech is an absolutely necessary part of the job, but many people seem to be concerned about this.

The vultures are gathering. I read all sorts of statements by all sorts of people who I thought were long dead or kicked out: ancient "Liberation Theology" types who have surfaced and are offering their worthless opinions to the eager press, etc.

They really believe there's going to be a chance for them to get back into full power, with the free reign they had under Paul VI. I don't think JPII did enough to get control over the heretics in the bosom of the Church, but it is obviously their hope that whoever follows him won't even try to control them, but will basically turn it over to the heretics.


12 posted on 02/07/2005 11:02:46 AM PST by livius
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The US chain of authority dealt with the Abu Ghraib "mess," while the Pope, unfortunately, cannot be praised for having taken the same firm actions with people he should have disciplined.


13 posted on 02/07/2005 11:04:34 AM PST by livius
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It plays out to his benefit considering the perps were caught , tried fairly, and punished. Contrast this to the years and years of Church runaround.


14 posted on 02/07/2005 11:04:52 AM PST by thoughtomator (reporting from Cylon-occupied Caprica)
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To: Rutles4Ever

I think God is keeping the pope around to challenge the world to recognize that old people have the same right to live in dignity as the pretty, young, vain, aerobicized pod-people the media shoves in front of the cameras every day.


15 posted on 02/07/2005 11:05:11 AM PST by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Thorin

Ooh your powers of persuasion overwhelm me. Do give your evidence that it was otherwise, if you have any. Who should I believe, you or my own lyin' eyes?


16 posted on 02/07/2005 11:06:01 AM PST by thoughtomator (reporting from Cylon-occupied Caprica)
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The pope will not abdicate without "help".

There's a long history of that over the centuries.

Never underwrite a life insurance policy on a pope.

17 posted on 02/07/2005 11:06:32 AM PST by Dog Gone
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Never underwrite a life insurance policy on a pope.

Nor leaders of former Soviet Republics.

18 posted on 02/07/2005 11:09:15 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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>>>>>Ooh your powers of persuasion overwhelm me. Do give your evidence that it was otherwise, if you have any. Who should I believe, you or my own lyin' eyes?

Why should anyone believe an anonymous poster who claims to have seen an unnamed incident that convinces him that the Pope has no conscience? Are you a regular visitor to the papal apartments? Do you know what information the Pope has received about the sex abuse scandal, and what he did with that information?

With respect to Iraq, the Pope was merely reiterating traditional Catholic teaching on a just war, which stresses that war can only be undertaken as a last resort. It's kind of hard to square that traditional teaching with any notion of "preemptive war."

And, at this point, I certainly wouldn't want to second guess the Pope: the ancient Christian communities of Iraq are being terrorized in all parts of the country, causing thousands of Christians to flee to Syria, and Ayatollah Sistani, whose party holds an overwhelming lead in the ballots cast thus far, has called for Iraq's new constitution to be based on the Koran. Just what we need, another "Islamic republic," just like its neighbor in Iran.

As for the Pope's conscience, his actions contributed mightily to the collapse of the Iron Curtain, and his has been the strongest voice on the planet against the evils of abortion and euthanasia throughout his pontificate. His personal devotion to God is also transparent. These are all things I've seen with my eyes, as has the rest of the world.

19 posted on 02/07/2005 11:19:32 AM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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I think God is keeping the pope around to challenge the world to recognize that old people have the same right to live in dignity as the pretty, young, vain, aerobicized pod-people the media shoves in front of the cameras every day.

I think that's exactly right. His continuation in office is a witness against the Culture of Death. No surprise that in his first statement from his hospital bed, he spoke out again against the death-dealers.

20 posted on 02/07/2005 11:29:18 AM PST by madprof98
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