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To: thoughtomator
>>>>>Ooh your powers of persuasion overwhelm me. Do give your evidence that it was otherwise, if you have any. Who should I believe, you or my own lyin' eyes?

Why should anyone believe an anonymous poster who claims to have seen an unnamed incident that convinces him that the Pope has no conscience? Are you a regular visitor to the papal apartments? Do you know what information the Pope has received about the sex abuse scandal, and what he did with that information?

With respect to Iraq, the Pope was merely reiterating traditional Catholic teaching on a just war, which stresses that war can only be undertaken as a last resort. It's kind of hard to square that traditional teaching with any notion of "preemptive war."

And, at this point, I certainly wouldn't want to second guess the Pope: the ancient Christian communities of Iraq are being terrorized in all parts of the country, causing thousands of Christians to flee to Syria, and Ayatollah Sistani, whose party holds an overwhelming lead in the ballots cast thus far, has called for Iraq's new constitution to be based on the Koran. Just what we need, another "Islamic republic," just like its neighbor in Iran.

As for the Pope's conscience, his actions contributed mightily to the collapse of the Iron Curtain, and his has been the strongest voice on the planet against the evils of abortion and euthanasia throughout his pontificate. His personal devotion to God is also transparent. These are all things I've seen with my eyes, as has the rest of the world.

19 posted on 02/07/2005 11:19:32 AM PST by Thorin ("I won't be reconstructed, and I do not give a damn.")
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To: Thorin

Jack Kemp also contributed mightily to bringing down the Iron Curtain, but that doesn't mean he was right to take money for advocating the Iraqi government position over weapons inspections.

With regards to the sex scandals, I'd say Bishop Anthony O'Connell alone is plenty of proof that the Vatican was not engaged at any time in taking serious efforts to stop the abuse.

The Church acknowledged the problem (finally) in 2001. Now it is 2005, and the Church has shown no sign of concern beyond the repercussions of lawsuits against them.

As far as what I have personally witnessed, while I will not give the name I can provide you with the essential details. Some left wing nutjob psychotherapist using "recovered memories" made an accusation against this priest (which was ludicrous to anyone who knew him) not of molestation but of simply running his hand through the hair of a young boy. Seeing dollars, the family concocted a lawsuit. The priest not only got no support from the Church despite his innocence - on the contrary, the Church itself became yet another of his persecutors - but he was unjustly transfered from his post and his life pretty much ruined. While I can't name names due to ongoing litigation, I won't hide the fact that a good priest was betrayed by the Church he faithfully served his entire life, and I saw it happen step by step.


22 posted on 02/07/2005 11:40:45 AM PST by thoughtomator (reporting from Cylon-occupied Caprica)
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