Posted on 02/07/2005 3:46:06 AM PST by DaveTesla
The Humanist Mission of Our Schools.
I think the most important factor leading us to a
secular society has been the educational factor. Our
schools may not teach Johnny to read properly, but the
fact that Johnny is in school until he is 16 tends to
lead toward the elimination of religious superstition.
The average child now acquires a high school education,
and this militates against Adam and Eve and all other
myths of alleged history.
Humanist writer Paul Blanshard.
Extending State Control.
Humanists know that the future of our country rests
with our children. Therefore, in order to control the
future of our country, they must control the minds of
our children. And the easiest way to control our
children is to control the schools.
Radical left-wing writers, including Alexander Cockburn
and James Ridgeway, incessantly rail against
parental "interference" in schools, because, as they
openly acknowledge, "The Left can't survive politically
without a public school system to spread leftist
attitudes."[3]
The New Curriculum.
The future of any nation lies with its youth. So
corrupt them; since religion teaches moral virtue,
erode the churches and divert the young from religion.
Make them interested only in themselves. Get them
involved in drugs, alcohol, and sex. Get them addicted
to privileges and rights.
Vladimir Lenin's "Rule for Revolution" #1.
"Reading, writing and arithmetic" no longer figure
prominently in today's exotic public school curricula.
Children who attend public school will be compelled to
learn the following;
that homosexuality is a perfectly acceptable
alternative lifestyle;
.....SNIP......
C.S. Lewis, The Abolition of Man.
(Excerpt) Read more at prolife.ath.cx:8000 ...
"I have "bashed" government schools as unAmerican and having their purpose and results of destroying America. I have not bashed teachers."
Yeah like Kennedy bashes the military but supports the troops. The teachers are the schools just as the troops are the military. It's an inclusive thing don't cha know? The whole is the sum of its parts.
As to the e-mail message, please do include it if you think it advances the discussion. Frankly I don't think your personal flames and my responses need to be a part of it unless you want the thread to turn into a flame war? It serves no useful pupose and in some cases causes a thread to be pulled. Is that what you want?
Your patriotic appeal was cute. You might want think about how to improve those institutions that have been here for 200 years and produced some of the greatest minds the world has ever seen and served to make this such a great place to live.
Our kids watch less than an hour of television each month. Last year I decided to let them watch an old black and white Tom and Jerry cartoon, thinking it was harmless. Well, it was, but the commercials weren't. I just so happened to walk past the television during a commercial and caught a reference to homosexuality. The homosexual agenda never sleeps.
Our kids harbor no resentment towards anyone, and if they see somebody having a bad day, they ask if they could pray for them. They're incredible kids. We fill them in on the issues as necessary and because we do what we can to protect their minds, they will not be indoctrinated from influential groups with complex social agenda aimed at their lives. For the most part, they are still very innocent.
Well, that's a pretty pathetic answer - you are doing lots of complaining right here!
You need a history lesson. We aren't talking separation - we're talking choice. We're talking about parents being able to afford the choice to send their kids wherever thay want to school. Would you rather pay for 12 years of your kids' schooling, or 60 years of everybody's schooling, in the form of taxes ? As a card-carrying member of a capitalist society, I prefer the former. All socialists/democrats prefer the latter.
You think the schools are not segregated now ? Get real, look at any public school around you. Schools draw their students from the local area. In my case, that's about 90% white, 2% hispanic, 4% asian, and 4% black. In Philadelphia ? About 80% black, 10% asian, and 10% hispanic. People are segregated by where they live.
So what's your argument ? It's already here, or do you want to go back to forced bussing ?
Are you a member of FR ? You think profit is bad ? You think public school administrators making 150k - 250K a year are not "making a profit" ? You need some economics lessons on the antics of non-profits. When profit is not permitted, excess money otherwise known in the free market as profits get paid out as salary and benefits.
Ask yourself this...did Harry Truman ever have to face the thorny policy question of what to do about gays in the military? Had the ACLU in 1949 adopted the position that a pre-game prayer on the sidelines of a high school football field constitutes an illegal establishment of religion by the state? Were the Democrats of FDR's era screened for leadership positions on the basis of their endorsement of abortion on demand?
You're right, we did elect Reagan and Bush II, two stand-out presidents that pass today for conservatives...but if you could transplant them to 1950, they would be moderates at best.
That's what I mean about the culture moving to the left. It's happened so gradually, people consider it normal.
I wouldn't be putting nuttin' in anyone's "pubic domain" buddy..!!
LOL!!!
"The tax which will be paid for [the] purpose [of education] is
not more than the thousandth part of what will be paid to kings,
priests and nobles who will rise up among us if we leave the
people in ignorance." --Thomas Jefferson to George Wythe, 1786.
"No other sure foundation can be devised for the preservation of
freedom and happiness... Preach a crusade against ignorance;
establish and improve the law for educating the common people.
Let our countrymen know that the people alone can protect us
against the evils [of misgovernment]." --Thomas Jefferson to
George Wythe, 1786.
"I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society
but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened
enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the
remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion
by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of
constitutional power." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis,
1820.
"Every government degenerates when trusted to the rulers of the
people alone. The people themselves, therefore, are its only safe
depositories. And to render even them safe, their minds must be
improved to a certain degree." --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on
Virginia, 1782.
http://etext.virginia.edu/etcbin/ot2www-jeffquot?specfile=%2Fweb%2Fdata%2Fjefferson%2Fquotations%2Fwww%2Fjeffquot.o2w&query=public+education&docs=html&sample=1-100&grouping=match
"You need a history lesson. We aren't talking separation"
#319 "I believe that the separation of school and state is at least as important as the separation of church and state"
Iwo Jima
Perhaps you should correct that to read some aren't?
ping
Well, that's a pretty pathetic answer - you are doing lots of complaining right here!
Yes, I knew you wouldn't understand my point. I do lots of defending against complaints and using teachers as scapegoats for all the ills of society. I know I'm not a bad person. I work many hours, just like many people do, at my job. Yet, some people here seem to think that teachers are lower than low. Blaming others is a liberal tactic. Look at the how some blame President Bush for all of the ills of society. And if they start blaming the troops--they have a bone to pick with me. That being said, I do tend to be sarcastic at times. Sorry.
You need a history lesson. We aren't talking separation - we're talking choice. We're talking about parents being able to afford the choice to send their kids wherever thay want to school. Would you rather pay for 12 years of your kids' schooling, or 60 years of everybody's schooling, in the form of taxes ? As a card-carrying member of a capitalist society, I prefer the former. All socialists/democrats prefer the latter.
Choice is an issue with the pro-abortionists too. They want someone to pay for their personal choice. Yes, we all have to get our way, like I said. You proved my point. Let's see...I would have to pay for everyone's schooling. While we're at it, I guess let's have our choice. I will pay only for my brother in the air force, not everyone else. I will only pay for how many times I use the highway each year, not everyone else--I need my choice. I will only pay federal taxes for projects in my own state, not anyone else's. I will only pay taxes for the 1 time I go to the zoo each year, not for everything else... We're talking welfare here, with a capital W.
You think the schools are not segregated now ? Get real, look at any public school around you. Schools draw their students from the local area. In my case, that's about 90% white, 2% hispanic, 4% asian, and 4% black. In Philadelphia ? About 80% black, 10% asian, and 10% hispanic. People are segregated by where they live.
My area is of a similar makeup. But it does seem to me (at least in my area and state) that we are seeing a "let's get away from those bad people thing." I could go on and on about this, but won't. I know where you'll go with this one, so I won't respond to it.
So what's your argument ? It's already here, or do you want to go back to forced bussing ?
Actually, we had forced bussing in my town. Nobody really gave it a second thought then. But no, nothing I say really has to do with that.
Are you a member of FR ? You think profit is bad ? You think public school administrators making 150k - 250K a year are not "making a profit" ? You need some economics lessons on the antics of non-profits. When profit is not permitted, excess money otherwise known in the free market as profits get paid out as salary and benefits. Yes, I am a profit...oops wrong spelling. Yes, I am a member of FR. I am a liberal teacher though that is pro-military, anti-abortion, active Christian, anti-gay agenda, pro-gun, etc. Yes, I know, I guess I will have to quit being so liberal.
Yes, I do think most public school administrators making that much is probably not good. They certainly don't make that much where I live. However, I don't think using CHILDREN for profit is. While I am pro-business too and think that we should be thankful to them for giving us jobs, I do worry sometimes about some of the ethics, especially in local terms of a couple of things that happened to my wife last year. HOWEVER, I don't use that as a catalyst to bad-mouth or find negativity with everything about business. I know that there are many good honest managers and workers out there too. I sure hope and pray we do not apply your ideas to the military. Actually, I cringe even losing a carrier in the budget. I sure do appreciate those guys and what they do for us.
My main point is that I see many miracles and things occur where I am at. It may be different for you, I guess I can't comment on that. But I don't blame others for all the problems in society either or apply it to everyone--the liberals do that enough already. I've got too much of a two-by-four in my own eye to do that.
I congratulate you for being a good parent. Like most teachers, I feel that we need more of them (I am thankful to be blessed with the parents of my students though). I am thankful that I had a good father and mother who raised me with good values. Yes, I have had to learn not to complain too much. I look at my student who died two years ago of brain cancer. He didn't complain at all. He was my greatest teacher. No doubt, you will think of this as hokey too and will probably rail about it as you did everything else precious to me, but he WAS very special to me. I think for me, more than anything, it comes down to appreciation for what those guys in Iraq and Afghanistan and around the world are doing for us--to give up time with your family and all the other sacrifices. And guess what, at least some of them were publicly educated.
Shedding light in dark places
It is distressing to have great intellectual and moral concerns reduced to the cartoonish, both in the form of animated film and the posturing of some who wish to fight the culture wars at this level.
Most who accept the label "conservative Christian," or its synonyms, spend too much time throwing stones at the cultural citadels and too little acquiring and developing the skills and knowledge to compete in the ideological and cultural arena.
It has not always been so. Historically, Christians dominated the professions, not solely by force of law, but by the power of their ideas and example.
The rest of the article by Cal Thomas is here. It's about winning in the cultural arena.
http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20050208-083631-7886r.htm
Posted on FR today here
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1339252/posts
"You need a history lesson. We aren't talking separation"
#319 "I believe that the separation of school and state is at least as important as the separation of church and state"
Iwo Jima
Perhaps you should correct that to read some aren't?
Remember, it was not me (moog) that wrote the grammar correction. I've done enough of that for now:).
"One of twenty five incidents since last summer."
Any stats on homeschoolers?
I would have to pay for everyone's schooling. While we're at it, I guess let's have our choice. I will pay only for my brother in the air force, not everyone else. I will only pay for how many times I use the highway each year, not everyone else--I need my choice. I will only pay federal taxes for projects in my own state, not anyone else's. I will only pay taxes for the 1 time I go to the zoo each year, not for everything else... We're talking welfare here, with a capital W.
I don't understand your point here. Yes, I think people should pay for their own. We did that in this country until about 1852. Same for roads. In fact even today in Texas a group is proposing a private highway to be paid for with tolls. The private sector is alive and well in all these areas. As for the military - no, defense, police, judiciary will always have to be paid for with taxes. I have no problem with that. I do have a problem with paying for other people. I'd rather pay for my expenses myself, as I'd rather you pay for yours yourself etc. We've spent trillions of dollars on the New Deal and Great Society, and the poor are still with us. Welfare is an incentive to use more of it - so we'll never be without the poor.
Yes, I know, I guess I will have to quit being so liberal.
I've met few teachers who aren't liberal. No offense intended, just an observation.
However, I don't think using CHILDREN for profit is.
This I think is where your liberal views lead you logically astray. We all make money (create value, even if non-monitarily) off interactons with each other. Doctors of all kinds make money off kids. So do drugstores, social workers (their paychecks), teachers of all types, babysitters, car companies (kids ride in cars, and buy cars when they turn 16) and on and on and on. What is the problem with that ? If you provide someone a good or a service, someone is making money whether as a direct payment or in a paycheck. As long as it's a voluntary transaction there should be no objection. Where I object is when you have no choice - such as, having to pay for 12 years of public teaching service if I don't want it. I'd have the same reaction if I had to pay for 12 years of medical services whether I wanted it or not - in this I have a choice, I can choose to be without medical insurance if I wish.
The idea of not profiting from children is just a gut reaction to the perceived non-voluntary nature of the transaction - really thinking this thru shows the fallacy of this argument. As long as the child receives a value - a good or service - there can be no problem.
I don't make fun of your story - I've met kids who were very brave in less-than-ideal circumstances not of their own making. What counts is that we all try to do the best we can and most importantly, be responsible for lessening the mess we see around us.
"Notice the person (smart-alecky) who was game playing with
us claimed to be a teacher."
Please direct me to that post so that I might correct it. What you'll find though, you're mistaken.....it happens. People get confused.
Regarding http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1337648/posts?page=260#260
Still waiting for an answer. It's ok if you have to admit a little faux pas. It happens.
Scripter writes "Before that, and with what's going on in the schools today, no way, I won't subject my kids to that. Imagine this happening to your kid: Boy sexually assaulted by six-year-old classmate in school bathroom"
Yet
"Approximately 90 percent of child sexual abuse victims know their abusers, according to the National Center for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder about 30 percent of those who sexually abuse children are relatives of the child and about 60 percent of perpetrators are unrelated acquaintances, including family friends, babysitters or neighbors."
http://www.childrenshospitals.net/Template.cfm?Section=Home&CONTENTID=11030&TEMPLATE=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm
Are we to blieve that homeschoolers are somehow excepted from the statistics that show it's more likely someone in their family or non- related aquaintances will perform such acts?
Stalin's useful idiots tag team
TROLLS
Why get into a pissing contest with a bunch of skunks.
...this clown.
Communists
dense
"Public school "teachers" are not qualified to teach children whose IQ is above average. Whether they are qualified to teach their mentally retarded equals is questionable at best."
your wickedness.
You're a piece of work.
Fine examples of good Chritian/Moral behavior? LOL
Please provide the post number where I said you claimed to be a teacher. It's okay if you have to admit a little faux pas. It happens
Have you scraped that egg off your face yet, as it seems you're still having trouble removing your foot from your mouth.
moog answered the question Smartaleck apparently refuses to answer.
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