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CONTROL OF THE FUTURE THROUGH CONTROL OF THE SCHOOLS
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Posted on 02/07/2005 3:46:06 AM PST by DaveTesla
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To: DaveTesla
You are absolutely correct.
This shrink wholesale agrees with you.
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posted on
02/07/2005 5:45:48 AM PST
by
Quix
(HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. 2 TIM 3:5)
To: kittymyrib
Thank you!
My point
Radical left-wing writers, including Alexander Cockburn and James Ridgeway, incessantly rail against parental "interference" in schools, because, as they openly acknowledge, "The Left can't survive politically without a public school system to spread leftist attitudes."[3]
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posted on
02/07/2005 5:49:27 AM PST
by
DaveTesla
(You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
To: DaveTesla
"Where you two guys been hiding?"
I, for one, wasn't hiding my kids at home as you advocate.
To be so vehement in your chastising of public schools you appear to be very weak of faith. IMHO
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:09:34 AM PST
by
Smartaleck
(Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"What happens to the kids that aren't home schooled?
That's up to each individual childs parents. The system is too corrupt to fix."
And the answer to the question is?
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:10:58 AM PST
by
Smartaleck
(Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
To: Smartaleck
The answer is, what happens to the children not homeschooled depends on their parents.
Becky
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"Are you still involved since your kids graduated?"
On a different level yes.
Too, I have many friends who are public school teachers. They express many of the same frustrations with the "system" that are posited here....some try to make changes from within, others sit around talking about it.
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:15:03 AM PST
by
Smartaleck
(Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
To: Smartaleck
Do you think the people that choose to HS are shirking a responsibility?
Becky
To: Smartaleck; DaveTesla
This is a spiritual battle.
"For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood; but against principalities and power, against the rulers of the world of this darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places." Ephesians 6:12
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:23:35 AM PST
by
murphE
("I ain't no physicist, but I know what matters." - Popeye)
To: DaveTesla
"First I didn't make the mess in the first place."
I know that line. Right up there with "not my job."
Why would anyone in their right mind want to live in MA?
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:26:10 AM PST
by
Smartaleck
(Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"The answer is, what happens to the children not homeschooled depends on their parents."
Works for me. Unfortunatly some on here disagree. ;-)
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:35:47 AM PST
by
Smartaleck
(Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
To: Smartaleck
One answer - read the book "Class Warfare" by Martin Rochester, a parent and college professor who lays it out very clearly how parents have the deck stacked against them, even when they are actively involved in every aspect of public education.
Then come back here and tell me how just joining the school board solves the problem.
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:38:08 AM PST
by
cinives
(On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
"Do you think the people that choose to HS are shirking a responsibility?"
Not as far as there own children are concerned.
Do you think the French are shirking their responsibilty when they tell us to go to hell when it comes to fighting terrorism around the world? We could stay home and just take care of our own I suppose?
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:44:28 AM PST
by
Smartaleck
(Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
To: Smartaleck
Just out of curiosity, let's talk about this:
suppose I agree that you are a responsible parent with kids in public school, sit down every night to oversee homework, pass on your values, mores and beliefs with a lot of quality family time.
Do you think this innoculates against cooperative (groupthink) learning, inflated grades, socialist textbooks, and the point of views pushed in state and national standards to which the teachers must adhere and the textbooks follow ? Even in 1st grade ? Are you with your kids 7 hours a day that they are under the influence of the teachers, curriculum, and school administrators ? No kids are subject to peer dependency ?
I don't. Those who resist are still stunted by inadequate curriculum, being held back in the name of the group, or finally, are pushed into accepting drugs (legal or otherwise)for being a nonconformist.
Yes, some do well but most sink. As a homeschooler, I don't have to undo what 7 hours a day does to my kid in public school, before my kid can go forward.
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:46:19 AM PST
by
cinives
(On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
To: murphE
"For our wrestling"
Pick your battles wisely.
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:46:41 AM PST
by
Smartaleck
(Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
To: mo
yeah...well they've been trying for 60 years...so far bad investment. Do you know how far left the culture has moved in the last 60 years?
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:48:33 AM PST
by
Oberon
(What does it take to make government shrink?)
To: Smartaleck
Why not join the school board? Because you'll be outnumbered by the entrenched bureacracy, most of whom oppose a non-values-oriented approach to education.
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:50:00 AM PST
by
Oberon
(What does it take to make government shrink?)
To: DaveTesla
Government schools must be abolished
.
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:50:01 AM PST
by
Protagoras
(Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
To: clee1
The best reason to homeschool.I agree! I've been saying for years, "if you love your children you'll teach them yourself."
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:55:02 AM PST
by
divulger
To: cinives
"Do you think this inoculates against cooperative (groupthink)"
Your considered response is well appreciated. On the other hand the equally valid question is...how far will homeschooling and the "not have to undo" take them when they are no longer at home and meet the same realities you mention? Some will fare well or ok, others not so for they may be lacking in experience when confronted by the unknown.
Just as no two people are the same, there is no one way to educate.
It makes no difference that a child is "indoctrinated" by the public school or at home. What is critical is that a child learns the means to process information for themselves from a variety of views and sources and ultimately arrive at the "truths of life".
"One who does not fully know their opponents arguments does not truly know their own"
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:56:28 AM PST
by
Smartaleck
(Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
To: cinives
"read the book "Class Warfare""
I'd rather hear your experiences on the local school board, participation in precinct meetings, your election as a delegate to political conventions and other activist activities.
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posted on
02/07/2005 6:59:45 AM PST
by
Smartaleck
(Tom Delay TX ..."Dems have no ideas, no agenda, no solutions.")
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