Immigration Bill May Settle Fence Fight (Tijuana)

AP-Las Vegas Sun ^ | 02/04/05 | By ERICA WERNER

[LarkNeelie]

WASHINGTON (AP) - A ragged fence and a canyon called Smugglers Gulch mark the westernmost stretch of the California-Mexico border, a favorite crossing point for illegal immigrants and drug runners.

...Now supporters may be getting closer to victory. A provision in an immigration bill expected to pass the House next week would give the homeland security secretary authority to move forward with the project regardless of any laws that stand in the way, and would bar courts from hearing lawsuits against it.

"We need to get this thing done, and we need to do it for security reasons, and at some point we just need to do it," said House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., whose district is just north of the border.

But environmentalists and the California Coastal Commission, the independent state agency that regulates the state's coastline, say the plan promoted by U.S. Customs and Border Protection is too extreme.

...How the fence provision would fare in the Senate is unclear. California's two Democratic senators have not announced their positions.

[FBD]

Think it real funny that drug runners and MS-18 gang bangers can just walk across our borders, huh onyx?

My friends son was shot in the chest by a gang banger who just walked across the border. He was robbed, while working at an all night gas station in Phoenix.

He's DEAD, and his assailant just disappeared back over the border, free to come back over the border any time he wants.

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Read the storyline AGAIN:
"A ragged fence and a canyon called Smugglers Gulch mark the westernmost stretch of the California-Mexico border, a favorite crossing point for illegal immigrants and drug runners."

As well as gang-bangers. REAL lives are destroyed by these criminals.
I'd like to see you and your cohorts stand in front of the parents of some unfortunate victim, and see how much courage you had to laugh it up.

[jveritas]

Lawmakers may fool me on this one, but with the "friction" they're getting from many constituents against illegal invasions and their willingness to pass responsibility on to others...

You are way over rating the concern of the majority of people regarding the immigration issue. A recent poll shows that this issue is way down on the list of concern for Americans.

[azhenfud]

"A recent poll shows that this issue is way down on the list of concern for Americans."

Source?

[Hacksaw]

Every federal highway? I thought the big concrete barriers are mostly just in urban areas.

Any federal highway requires at least a chain link fence. Think of how many miles of highways we have crisscrossing states from sea to sea and how much fencing that is.

[jveritas]

here you go

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1333998/posts

[FBD]

- Slight difference???

A U.S. border fence/ wall with Legal Ports of Entry/exit, is NOT even close to a Berlin Wall, where no one was allowed to leave.

I'm curious. What would you say ( if you were in a face to face conversation) to the private property owners along or near the border, whose properties are are being destroyed, and whose lives have been threatened by the drug runners, gang bangers, coyote human smugglers, etc?

"Tough luck?"

[monkeywrench]

"How interesting. This article is about finishing a small amount of fence near San Diego and all the disruptors are here with their usual tactics instead of saying they are even against doing that. It's hard to know what they want. What could they have against doing that little bit to help secure the border?"

I believe they are all "working" for the mexican govt. The sole function of the mexican govt. is to secure American taxpayer dollars, it's not like they work like any legistimate govt. does. Just "go for more".

[azhenfud]

Interesting.

While from your source immigration ranks higher among concerns than tax reform, environment, tort reform, abortion, minority rights, or same-sex marriage, some of those more important issues are collateral results from a lack of border control or immigration code enforcement. Is it those issues are of lesser "immediate importance" too because of the method of questioning? Surely we are capable of handling more than one item on our plates at once.

I submit to you most Freepers don't share your infatuation with illegals and felons who hire or aid them, nor do they rank the inability or unwillingness of authorities to address the problem as lowly as you.

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/poll?poll=10;results=1

[jveritas]

I am glad you mentioned the FR poll.

Did you see the answer for border closing, like building a wall, it is only approved 15% of the respondents.

PS: I am not infatuated with illegal immigrants, but I have more practical ways on how to solve the problem than you do.

[ImpBill]

Whoa there pardoner, I'm on your side. Gotta read between the lines with the post. I will try and < /end sarcasm > next time.

[FBD]

Sorry FRiend.

[judgeandjury]

You got it right, it is their dream (DELUSIONAL) wall that will never ever be build under any circumstances whatsoever, not now and not in one thousand year.

This wall won't be built because we don't need it built in order to reduce illegal immigration. If our government truly wanted to reduce illegal immigration, it could implement the necessary programs and enforce the necessary laws anytime it wanted to. Unfortunately, right now our government doesn't want to.

[ImpBill]

Not a problem. It is a subject that brings heated passion to the debate. BTW, I currently liven in Brownsville, TX in the winters so I have a real up close and personal view of the problem.

[flashbunny]

Sorry, that's a load of crap. If Bush wanted to do his constitutional duty and actually secure our borders, I and millions of others that complain about his socialist spending sprees wouldn't give a damn. In fact, we'd probably want him to spend more.

[FBD]

This thread that you both posted to (#33, #34) is about H.R. 418. It has passed the House.
It also has the support of the White House.

This bill also authorizes funds for a security fence to be built for Smugglers Gulch;
Construction of about 3 miles of fence up from Tijuana, where many of the drug runners and MS-13 gang bangers are slipping drugs and weapons through.

I certainly am glad to see the the White House on board.
Will you now both support this effort to fence out drug runners, etc, since the President also supports it?

Regards

[jveritas]

We were talking about thousands of miles wall that some people on this site are advocating and not the 3 miles fence in San Diego.

This thousands of miles long wall across the US-Mexico border will never be built period.

Your accusation to us that we do not support control of the borders against criminals and potential terrorist is outrageous.

I hope that many of you guys, will stop bashing President Bush on the illegal immigration issue because he is doing the best he can "practically" do.

[FBD]

>"We were talking about thousands of miles wall that some people on this site are advocating and not the 3 miles fence in San Diego."<

It's two thousand miles, actually, and it can be fenced for about 8 billion dollars, with openings for roads, and *LEGAL PORTS OF ENTRY* Or are you opposed to people only coming through legal ports of entry?

But reread this thread title, it's about the 3 miles of fence for the Tijuana area. If you weren't opposed, then why did you jump on this thread and started in with your usual litany???

BTW, I do not bash President Bush. You are lumping me in with someone else. Unlike you, I actually voted for G.W.B; twice in fact. I wrote letters to the editors, and contributed money to his campaign. I also voted for his father. Did you? So don't lecture me about "bashing President Bush", jveritas.

UNDERSTAND?

>"Your accusation to us that we do not support control of the borders against criminals and potential terrorist is outrageous."<

- Then stop playing the part of a disruptive troll on threads where those of us who actually care, and are trying to stop criminals and potential terrorists from strolling across the borders.

One of my friends had a son killed by a gang banger from Mexico. I suggest you research Mexico's policy about extraditing homicide suspects to our country. I've got news for you: they won't, because of our death penalty.

The fence will be built, to keep out the drug runners and the gang bangers, no thanks to YOU.

There will be more fences built, for the same reason: To protect innocent U.S. citizens lives and private property, from drug runners and gang bangers across the border who have no respect for life or law.

I'd like to see you look someone in the eyes who has had a family member killed by a criminal who just walked in across the border illegally, and then just walked back over to Mexico.

But it's a lot easier for you to just sit behind your keyboard and post nasty messages, isn't it?
I thought so.

[jveritas]

Please have mercy on me FBD, I am really scared with your angry tone.

End of sarcasm.

[FBD]

As I said, it's easier to sit cowardly behind a keyboard then it is to actually look into the eyes of someone who has experienced the loss of a family member to a violent criminal who just strolled back across the border to avoid prosecution.


Both your smarmy comment and apparent lack of concern for victims of illegal alien gang bangers are duly noted.

That you by you own admission in your posts are not even yet a citizen of this country, yet attempt to lecture those of us are who have voted and supported Republican candidates is also noted.

As I said in the FReepmail to you, I suggest you rein in your self- righteous attitude, since you haven't even voted in this country yet.

I had wished you well in an earlier communication, and gave you a link to George Washington's farewell speech, in hopes that you would grasp a fundamental conservative principle:
Never put a Political Party before country.

Sadly, it appears that's too lofty of a principle for you to yet grasp.