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Immigration Bill May Settle Fence Fight (Tijuana)
AP-Las Vegas Sun ^ | 02/04/05 | By ERICA WERNER

Posted on 02/07/2005 3:20:29 AM PST by LarkNeelie

WASHINGTON (AP) - A ragged fence and a canyon called Smugglers Gulch mark the westernmost stretch of the California-Mexico border, a favorite crossing point for illegal immigrants and drug runners.

...Now supporters may be getting closer to victory. A provision in an immigration bill expected to pass the House next week would give the homeland security secretary authority to move forward with the project regardless of any laws that stand in the way, and would bar courts from hearing lawsuits against it.

"We need to get this thing done, and we need to do it for security reasons, and at some point we just need to do it," said House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., whose district is just north of the border.

But environmentalists and the California Coastal Commission, the independent state agency that regulates the state's coastline, say the plan promoted by U.S. Customs and Border Protection is too extreme.

...How the fence provision would fare in the Senate is unclear. California's two Democratic senators have not announced their positions.


(Excerpt) Read more at lasvegassun.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; california; conservation; estuary; fence; frobl; government; illegal; immigrantlist; immigration; racist; tijuana; turass
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Comment #21 Removed by Moderator

To: Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

If we catapulted Mexican border jumpers into Somalia or Guatemala this problem would end very quickly. Can't we (USA) rent some Caribbean island we could drop off these invaders via parachute? And let their respective nations pick them up or not, as the case mey be.


22 posted on 02/07/2005 5:42:22 AM PST by dennisw (Qur’an 9:3 “Allah and His Messenger dissolve obligations.”)
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To: LarkNeelie
Why does it have to be initially economically feasible.

As Pink Floyd didn't say ...

BUILD THE WALL!!!

And put a mile wide anti-personel mine field behind it!

24 posted on 02/07/2005 5:54:59 AM PST by ImpBill (Nothing More!)
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To: TonyRo76
Israel's wall doesn't have to cover a 2,000 mile border

Or a 3,000 mile northern border.

JMO, it's funny watching the fringe right(aka paleoconservatives) become neo-khruchev's.

25 posted on 02/07/2005 5:59:44 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: TonyRo76
Israel's wall doesn't have to cover a 2,000 mile border.

Yet we seem to be able to build fences along every federal highway in the country.

26 posted on 02/07/2005 6:01:17 AM PST by Hacksaw (You can judge a man by the members of his bump list.)
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To: Dane; Howlin


Does this thread seem a little 'bare' to you? lol


27 posted on 02/07/2005 6:02:43 AM PST by onyx ("First you look to God, then to Fox News" -- Denny Crane, Republican...lol.)
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To: ImpBill
As Pink Floyd didn't say ...

BUILD THE WALL!!!

In contrast to what Ronald Reagan said, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall".

28 posted on 02/07/2005 6:04:29 AM PST by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: Dane

Exactly. Slight difference in "wall" purposes but true none-the-less.


29 posted on 02/07/2005 6:13:53 AM PST by ImpBill (Nothing More!)
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To: FBD
"A border wall/fence like Israel’s is costing between 2 to 4 million per mile to build, depending on the area, and number of motion sensors, monitors and control stations."

Illegals cost U.S. taxpayers in excess of $41 billion a year. At 50% of that cost to taxpayers and an average outlay of $3 million/mile , the U.S. could pay for a 2000 mile fence in about three or four years.

32 posted on 02/07/2005 7:35:41 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: Dane; jveritas; bayourod; Howlin; Once-Ler

What's funny is the people currently crying the loudest about immigration would be the first in line to trash the President for "excessive spending" if he asked Congress for the tens of billions needed to build and maintain their dream wall/fence.


33 posted on 02/07/2005 7:41:12 AM PST by COEXERJ145
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To: COEXERJ145
You got it right, it is their dream (DELUSIONAL) wall that will never ever be build under any circumstances whatsoever, not now and not in one thousand year.
34 posted on 02/07/2005 8:09:44 AM PST by jveritas
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To: azhenfud
azhefud

And while we are building the wall, we will have you and people like you cheering up the construction workers of the wall by holding daily parties and Pat Buchanan with Tom Tancredo will be paying weekly visit to see the progress of the wall construction. 288 million people will be dancing in the streets cheering the wall, we will have children in schools singing the praise of the wall. Pat Buchanan and Tom Tancredo will be elected President and Vice President, then they will become so beloved and so popular because of the wall, that under great popular demand the Congress will amend the Constitution and elect them President and Vice President for life.

End of sarcasm, end of delusion.

35 posted on 02/07/2005 8:19:30 AM PST by jveritas
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To: jveritas
"End of sarcasm, end of delusion."

Dispute the facts, the figures, if you can. Consider what a price $41 billion a year really is. Argue your point on the merits of the discussion, not on your suppositions, and I shall respond appropriately.

36 posted on 02/07/2005 8:31:50 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: azhenfud
I use sacrcasm because all you numbers make absolutely zero sense when it is an impossibility that such a wall will be build not under any circumstances, not under any President, not under any Congress, not now and not in one thousand year.
37 posted on 02/07/2005 8:37:01 AM PST by jveritas
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To: mindspy; mysto; holyscroller; ozarkgirl; Outland; Rick Deckard; ZeitgeistSurfer; Klickitat; ...

"A provision in an immigration bill expected to pass the House next week would give the homeland security secretary authority to move forward with the project regardless of any laws that stand in the way, and would bar courts from hearing lawsuits against it."

Read more about the REAL ID Act, HR418

H.R.418 Title: To establish and rapidly implement regulations for State driver's license and identification document security standards, to prevent terrorists from abusing the asylum laws of the United States, to unify terrorism-related grounds for inadmissibility and removal, and to ensure expeditious construction of the San Diego border fence. Sponsor: Rep Sensenbrenner, F. James, Jr. [WI-5] (introduced 1/26/2005) Cosponsors (125) Latest Major Action: 1/26/2005 Referred to House committee. Status: Referred to the Committee on the Judiciary, and in addition to the Committees on Homeland Security, and Government Reform, for a period to be subsequently determined by the Speaker, in each case for consideration of such provisions as fall within the jurisdiction of the committee concerned. (complete text of bill at: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:H.R.418:)

COSPONSORS(125), ALPHABETICAL
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1337307/posts


38 posted on 02/07/2005 8:39:29 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: azhenfud; FBD; B4Ranch; DoughtyOne

How interesting. This article is about finishing a small amount of fence near San Diego and all the disruptors are here with their usual tactics instead of saying they are even against doing that. It's hard to know what they want. What could they have against doing that little bit to help secure the border?

"WASHINGTON (AP) - A ragged fence and a canyon called Smugglers Gulch mark the westernmost stretch of the California-Mexico border, a favorite crossing point for illegal immigrants and drug runners."


39 posted on 02/07/2005 8:44:15 AM PST by JustAnotherSavage ("We are all sinners. But jerks revel in their sins." PJ O'Rourke)
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To: jveritas
"....when it is an impossibility that such a wall will be build not under any circumstances, not under any President, not under any Congress, not now and not in one thousand year."

You might want to pay closer attention to "..and to ensure expeditious construction of the San Diego border fence."

Of course such measure has to make its way into law, but I think it may not have the opposition in DC you are expecting. Here's my reasoning - in lieu of stricter enforcement of immigration code, I see legislators looking to an inanimate object to enforce the law rather than cracking down on employers and illegals directly. Lawmakers may fool me on this one, but with the "friction" they're getting from many constituents against illegal invasions and their willingness to pass responsibility on to others, I'm seeing the wall as their "easy" option.

40 posted on 02/07/2005 8:56:36 AM PST by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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