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Breast Cancer Mystery Frustrates Scientists: Electric Light Just Latest Of Many Suspects
Hartford Courant ^ | February 6, 2005 | William Hathaway

Posted on 02/06/2005 12:58:41 PM PST by billorites

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To: Capriole
What's the name of the organization that can work "around" the un, get the job done, and not get murdered in the process? I'm curious.

FMCDH(BITS)

61 posted on 02/06/2005 3:51:39 PM PST by nothingnew (CNN REPORT: Judge says ready to sit for 6 month Jackson trial: God help us!)
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To: Capriole
great argument = right on the money.

we humans always seem to think that just OUR time has the worst stress - and every generation thinks that.

I'm happy to be here, now, and, thank you God, in America.

62 posted on 02/06/2005 3:52:18 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Aggie Mama
I refuse to buy any Nestle product for that exact reason. They push formula in these countries.

and many babies die of malnutrition because the poor people water down the formula to make it go further

63 posted on 02/06/2005 3:53:50 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: spetznaz
But it is here in the developed world that a person wakes up stressed, goes through the day stressed, and goes to bed stressed.

They also do that in the developing world except that the things that they stress over are actual matters of life and death.

In the developed world people are stressed because of two things, either they like it or they are creating it themselves by wanting more and more.

64 posted on 02/06/2005 3:59:14 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Naked Mole Rats are sweet, gentle and love to cuddle. Bring a colony home today for your Valentine)
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To: spetznaz
...But it is here in the developed world that a person wakes up stressed, goes through the day stressed, ...

could be rewritten: "But it is here in the developed world that a person goes to work, (in the winter, in the dark,) and works inside a building all day, (no sunshine) and comes home - in the winter - in the dark.

When I was young, the watch word was "two hours of fresh air and sunshine a day."

We not only don't get that, but for 20 years or more we have been told: "stay out of the sun!"

Now they're finding, no big surprise to me, that, OMG, we humans need to get sunshine, for natural Vit D - for our bones and all 'round good health...both physical and emotional. duhhh

65 posted on 02/06/2005 4:01:14 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: WVNan
Well, nobody has guessed it yet, so I'll just throw this out there. Mammagrams. No way will they ever get me near one of those things.

I fell for one of those - over 20 years ago. Never again. Docs can't believe I won't get one again. (great money for the hospitals tho.)

66 posted on 02/06/2005 4:04:37 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Askel5
how about the birth control which jacks with her hormones incessantly

and HRT...

They tried to get on that 25 years ago. I read up on it and didn't like the studies even then that linked it to breast cancer. (Besides, I wasn't convinced that something made from horse piss urine was something I wanted to take.)

Time has proved my choice right.

67 posted on 02/06/2005 4:10:00 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: billorites

I am going to go sit in the dark and listen to this joke of a football game.


68 posted on 02/06/2005 4:13:37 PM PST by RightWhale (Please correct if cosmic balance requires.)
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To: ErnBatavia
I don't imagine anyone 200 years ago had the slightest idea that "cancer" even existed

The ancient Greeks and Romans knew - but it was much rarer.

The 'father of medicine', Hipocrates used garlic vapors to treat cervical cancer. Garlic poultices were placed on wounds during World War I and II, (called Russian Penicillin,) as an inexpensive - yet highly effective, replacement for antibiotics, which were scarce during wartime.

69 posted on 02/06/2005 4:15:59 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: TASMANIANRED
At the turn of the 19th century average life expectancy was 49. The number one cause of death in young adult women was child birth.

and that was mostly due to doctors ignoring Dr. Lister's claims that women were dying in great numbers from septicemia because doctors would go from doing an autopsy or treating other patients, etc, without washing their hands.

Naturally, the medical profession vilified Dr. Lister and many more thousands of women died before the "light" shone

70 posted on 02/06/2005 4:21:29 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: Capriole

God bless you!


71 posted on 02/06/2005 4:22:57 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: billorites
I can't help but think there may be a connection -- although I think that deterioration of the immune system is the bottom line cause of most cancers. I had lung cancer and was given less than a year to live in 1998. Thanks to God, good doctors and a special diet, I'm still here annoying liberals. But I do think that electrical fields of some sort could contribute to deterioration of the immune system and encourage the growth of mutated cells.

Carolyn

72 posted on 02/06/2005 4:23:58 PM PST by CDHart (The world has become a lunatic asylum and the lunatics are in charge.)
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To: CDHart
I once parked beneath high tension wires to pick some wild floweres. When I touched my car, it was 'alive' with static type vibrations - like it needed a grounding wire.

I suspicion that kine of constant vibration on the cells of our body could cause havoc over time...

73 posted on 02/06/2005 4:28:45 PM PST by maine-iac7 (...but you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Lincoln)
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To: TASMANIANRED

---and a large part of the longer lives we live can be credited to the miracle of modern chemistry-provided by the evil drug companies everybody likes to accuse of making too much money--


74 posted on 02/06/2005 4:34:39 PM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear; Capriole
They also do that in the developing world except that the things that they stress over are actual matters of life and death. In the developed world people are stressed because of two things, either they like it or they are creating it themselves by wanting more and more.

Think about it this way. Your typical developing country. I'm not talking about a tropical Nirvana, but i am not talking about North Korea or the Sudan either.

And let's say its rural-agrarian. Thus, this is the normal time-table. They are awake by 5am, they spend the whole day in rather hard labor at their farms, and they are home by 5pm (and normally in bed by 7.30). Stress occurs when rains are late, and thus worries of crop yields arise, or when there is some pest or affliction that threatens their livelihood. Otherwise they are generally not that stressed. They work hard, harder than most people would imagine, but they do not spend their days worrying about feeding their families (remember: I am talking about a typical country ....not North Korea where hunger is a constant, or Sudan where raiders can come anytime). Most stresses in developing countries are to be found in the towns and cities, where things can be quite tough. In the rural areas things can be quite different. And again note,i am talking about typical developing nations. Not North Korea and Rwanda.

And even in those places it has been noticed that people tend to cope with stresses through intense religious beliefs or rather fatalistic tendencies. For example if a Monsoon hits Bangladesh hard the people actually cope with the elevated stress levels pretty well. It hits, they grieve, they move on. Or in Rwanda. A township is attacked, people arte brutalized, women raped. The next day they cry, at times for days, then they pray, and they leave it to God. There is very little internalization. And again, this is in the outlying cases (and just an aside. I am concentrating on typical situations and not these, but even here stress is not chronic. It may be acute beyond comprehension, but not chronic).

In the west the stresses are different (and the vast majority are actually extremely minor .....it is just that people make them into huge things). Again they are to be found in the cities (rural areas have much lower stress levels). And the key thing is not that the stresses are bigger in magnitude, but that they are constant. Most of my workmates are ALWAYS stressed over something. Mortgages, college loans, relationships, credit bills. Some even stress about not getting stressed (they say it feels 'unnatural').

The body can cope with great stress loads ......what it cannot cope with is CONSTANT stress loads. And by the way this is a medical fact.

BTW: When was the last time cortisol medication was offered for sale in your typical rural area (be it in the developing world, or in a farm n Kansas)?

77 posted on 02/06/2005 5:50:49 PM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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To: maine-iac7

I recall reading that around the time of our Civil War, an indication that a surgeon was "experienced" was a proudly worn blood-encrusted smock...the theories of sanitation hadn't quite evolved, I guess.


78 posted on 02/06/2005 6:31:14 PM PST by ErnBatavia (ErnBatavia, Boxer, Pelosi, Thomas...the ultimate nightmare Menage a Quatro)
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To: rellimpank

The evil drug companies are responsible for polio vaccine, small pox vaccine, Diptheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccines.

It sure is a shame they are allowed to make money for improving the quality of life.

Have you ever noticed that entertainers and sports figures who make obscene amounts of money but who don't actually make an enduring contribution to the improvement of life for a substantial number of people get a free pass.

Drug Companys have increased the life expectancy, reduced suffering, reduced the horrors of disfiguring disease get beaten with a stick constantly because they make a profit.


79 posted on 02/06/2005 6:57:07 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Certified cause of Post Traumatic Redhead Syndrome)
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To: TASMANIANRED
---it's why I will never be popoular with the geezors/geezeratrices around the senior center.

Every time I hear anyone over 55 complaining about the price of drugs I point out that they are on borrowed time relative to when they were born, thanks to the miracle of modern chemistry--

80 posted on 02/06/2005 7:50:27 PM PST by rellimpank (urban dwellers don' t understand the cultural deprivation of not being raised on a farm)
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