Posted on 02/05/2005 7:44:02 PM PST by raccoonradio
You, Salon, illiterates who can't get past the cartoon pictures, liberals, and homosexuals are the only ones I've seen promoting the "Sponge Bob is gay" theory as having any credibility with anyone.
Try reading this article. Setting the Record Straight by James C. Dobson, Ph.D.
You can hold Dobson blameless for this flap if you please but he set himself up with the Tele tubbie nonsense earlier. Other religious leaders who did not are just as anti-queer as he but manage somehow to avoid this distraction.
Now did he not make his point clear or did the RAT media make it incomprehesible? I have not seen his actual comments so I can't say but it is not good when his advocates cannot tolerate a little humor about it without getting all upset that freepers are suddenly becoming more gay-friendly or anti-Dobson.
Batman is obviously gay. Why else would Bruce Wayne take in an underaged boy with no parents, dress him in a totally flamboyant costume, give him an androgynous moniker, teach him to "slide down the Bat Pole into the Bat Cave," all the while avoiding a curvaceous leather-clad Catwoman? The 'Bat' obviously doesn't refer to the flying mammal, but rather something a little more phallicly-symbolic!
As a package deal. Remember the driver's ed film "Mr. Rellik?" Every school that showed that film, used the course material that came with it. As they do with other presentations. They pay for the whole package, and they use the whole package.
Your fears are unfounded. You shouldn't believe everything you read in Salon. They're not quite as reliable as Dan Rather.
School boards decide what goes into the curriculum and school boards are not buying this stuff for the most part.
They are definitely not buying the "its good for the teacher to handle Lil Johnny's privates" allegation. Though I do have a funny story about something similiar which happened when my wife was a teacher.
I don't believe anything I read in Salon but since this was a satirical essay I didn't have to. It was funny and a good example of how innocent things can be twisted into a perversion by looking at them through modern jaundiced eyes.
I'd give you a link to a reliable source, but you might trust this one more. Here's an article from one of your fellow Salon lovers, who says it was Jerry Falwell, not Dr. Dobson. http://www.americanwasteland.com/tinkywinky.html
I thought Chip and Dale were brothers.
You clearly have no idea of what is REALLY in curriculums across the land and until you actually do your opinion is of no value in this regard.
I never asked you to listen to MY OPINION now, did I? I keep asking one simply thing: YOU READ the ACTUAL CURRICULUM, GO TO THE LINKS, SEE FOR YOURSELF what the WAFF is doing.....or do you not remember I posted any links? I gave none, right? I was "just" mouthing my opinions. The other stuff I posted doesn't exist, right?
My opinions? My own opinions come from my reading, lots of books, materials, resources, curriculum, listening to parents, teachers, psychologists, my own obervations, and my first-hand knowledge of what's going on in schools. Funny, I don't seem to recall having shared ANY of my "empty opinions."
And I clearly have no idea what's going on in school, right? And you know this, how? Or is that just YOUR OPINION?
But I do know, exactly what's going on.
1. I'm a parent of a child who used to attend Kindergarten - 1st grade in California;
2. I'm a parent of two children who used to attend Kindergarten - 11th grade in Colorado.
3. I'm a former student in a Teacher's Education Program at college in Colorado.
4. I have gone to school districts and read through several 5" thick curriculums then in use in the school districts.
5. As pertains to this specific episode of shoving pro-homosexuality down the throats of children (and their parents), I have read through MUCH of the tolerance.org curriculum being used, for instance, in Writing for Change.
6. Previously, I was Vice President of Education for Concerned Citizens of the Desert in California and met regularly with other parents and politicians and conservative educators in California. In that capacity, I flew up to Sacramento and spoke to the California Department of Education Board and met with one of the heads regarding their Health/Sex Education Curriculum required to be used in schools in California.
7. In my capacity as a parent of a child whose daughter was forced to hug a male counselor, while her lunch was withheld from her by her Kindergarten teacher until she complied with the forced hug, I spoke, at length, to the teacher, the counselor, the principal, the School Superintendent, and the School Board, who denied my daughter's claims, stated they were exaggerated and stated that the parent who witnessed these actions was also making false claims (which happened to be identical to my daughter's). I learned how these people operate when they have an agenda. Part of that agenda was using "Magic Circle" under the guise of self-esteem.
8. In my capacity as the parent of a child who received such treatment by her teacher/counselor/principal, the lawyer I spoke with concerning this incident stated this was legally considered battery and her civil rights were violated, and I had a very strong case for a suit against the teacher, the counselor, and the school district.
9. Because of what the school was doing with my daughter and other children, I was contacted by two psychologists, one being Dr. William Coulson, an internationally recognized psychologist, one who is considered an expert in his field, having worked with Abraham Maslow and Carl Rogers. Since YOU must know so much, I'm sure you know all about Maslow's "Heirarchy of Needs." Dr. Coulson informed me that what my child's Kindergarten teacher was performing was group therapy, as apparently were other teachers in other classrooms, in various forms at that school district. Out of his concern regarding similar and other stories (pro-homosexuality being taught, suicide poetry reading, and other forms of group therapy), Dr. Coulson came to speak to our School District. He has traveled around the country addressing his concerns about these kinds of psychological manipulation being used ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.
I have been reading about these and other subject matters concerning school education for the past 15 years. Have you? Have you read Child Abuse in the Classroom by Phyliss Schlafly? I have. It's congressional testimony by parents and teachers regarding various psychological manipulation that has been on-going in classrooms ACROSS THE COUNTRY since before 1984. These psychological manipulations include pro-homosexuality being taught as equal to heterosexuality. I suggest you purchase it and then tell all those parents, from across the country, they don't know what the heck is going on in the classrooms across the country....the their opinions lack any value.
Have you read Not With My Child, You Don't? I have. It's further information regarding the same types of programs being abused on children, explaining how schools are becoming places more interested in changing "children's sociopolitical attitudes than with their ability to read, write, compute" THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
You get back to me with your valueless opinion after YOU'VE read anything about this matter; it's obvious to date, you have absolutely no knowledge, or you're just being dishonest. Have YOU read any of the curriculum of Writing for Change? Have you gone to YOUR school district's resource library and sat down and read through reams of papers of the curriculum?
The package was purchased for 61,000 elementary schools. That is a fact.
This is the kind of LIE I have come to expect from those whose agenda I don't totally swallow. Where did you every come under the delusion that I am a "Salon Lover"? Certainly not from ANYTHING I have ever said.
Why didn't you announce eight posts ago that you didn't read the article, didn't know what you were talking about, didn't care what you were talking about, and always disagree with the magazine you were parroting? What the heck is your problem? You just wanted to argue and insult people? You didn't care who, or on what subject? Get help.
He didn't even read the article he picked an argument with us over. He didn't read any of the links we provided. He came here to read the pictures, and we interupted with words. So I guess we had it coming. I think he hit us with everything he had, which is sad. I don't mind getting spanked, but I'd at least like to feel it.
My mistake. When I wrote that post, I was under the impression you were aware of the things you were saying, and that you believed in them. I didn't see your post admitting that you didn't read the article you picked an argument over, or know anything about it, until after I said that. You seemed so sure of your opinions, I assumed you knew what they were. One of these days, I'll learn my lesson about assuming.
You have repeatedly put words in my mouth on this thread and attributed conclusions and aversions to me that I never made. "...Or you wouldn't be saying that propagandizing children into a homosexual lifestyle is nonsense." Obviously I NEVER said anything like that. But that did not stop you from claiming once again in 193 that I had.
I have made no comment about "forced hugs" and don't consider that to be a major crime UNLIKE the claim of genital touching which IS a major crime EVERYWHERE. Nor can I properly respond to your interpretations of events which happened to your children. I am not much of a follower of Maslow's writings though tend to be less than impressed by psychologists in general.
My late wife was a teacher in Chicago and do not dispute that there is much that is not good going on in the schools but if you believe they are all controlled by pro-homo groups or are implementing a prohomo agenda you are simply incorrect and it doesn't matter what testimony before Congress 20 yrs ago said since you know very well how THAT works. And prior to 1984 any prohomo propaganda was very insignificant EVERYWHERE in the country.
My younger son is a junior in college but there is NO doubt that any prohomo propaganda he or his brother may have encountered in school had exactly the opposite effect intended. The kids use the word "gay" to describe things which were lame, stupid or foolish. While I despise homosexuality I never encouraged that kind of talk.
Actually, given the way kids react to school, prohomo propaganda would likely be rejected by them as a matter of course.
>Thank God for the Flintstones or we'd have no viable role models.<
Wait! What was the name of the little weird green alien guy on Flintstones? If he didn't swish, nobody did (c;
Are you incapable of comprehending what I wrote or do numbers throw you? Every one of your accusations are not only wrong but WILDLY wrong. And I need help?
I have seen no evidence that 61,000 schools PAID for this suggested curriculum and doubt that they did. More than likely this foundation paid for all of it and is shipping it out willy-nilly.
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