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Planned Abortionhood opposes sonograms, says "coercive"
NY Times ^

Posted on 02/05/2005 7:37:21 PM PST by Dustin Hawkins

The following is a quote from a Planned Abortionhood spokesperson.... the last sentence is most disturbing. It is in reference to an organization that offers counseling trying to convince women not to kill their babies...

"Generally, their treatment of women who come in is coercive," said Susanne Martinez, vice president of public policy at the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. "From the time they walk in to these centers, they are inundated with information that is propaganda and that has one goal in mind. And that is to have women continue with their pregnancies."

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:: sigh ::

I guess they can keep giving away what was deemed the "least safe" condom to keep their business alive.

1 posted on 02/05/2005 7:37:21 PM PST by Dustin Hawkins
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To: Dustin Hawkins

If they are complaining it means that it is working.


2 posted on 02/05/2005 7:38:13 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

I agree with you.
When the left starts squawking, you've hit the nail on the head.


3 posted on 02/05/2005 7:39:43 PM PST by srm913
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To: Dustin Hawkins

It's long time to send the National Guard to Planned Parenthood and shut their asses down forever.


4 posted on 02/05/2005 7:40:41 PM PST by Free and Armed
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To: Dustin Hawkins
Yes, to the Left full disclosure of their lies is coercive. It makes sense in one of those twisted Leftist ways.
5 posted on 02/05/2005 7:40:53 PM PST by highlander_UW (I don't know what my future holds, but I know Who holds my future)
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To: Dustin Hawkins; All

Was she the same ditz who was on the Laura Ingrahm show this week?


6 posted on 02/05/2005 7:43:40 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Proud Patriots dot ORG!!! Operation Valentine's Day!!)
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To: Dustin Hawkins

This is a good sign. The fact that they're making such illogical arguments proves that the pro-life movement is winning the hearts & minds of the public slowly but surely.


7 posted on 02/05/2005 7:45:20 PM PST by Clintonfatigued
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To: Dustin Hawkins

Actual title of article is "Church Groups Turn to Sonogram to Turn Women From Abortions". For a whole lot of reasons, it's important to use the real title, so please do so in the future. Thanks!


8 posted on 02/05/2005 7:46:41 PM PST by walden
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To: Dustin Hawkins

Full text:

BOWIE, Md., Jan. 26 - Sixteen months ago, Andrea Brown, 24 years old and unmarried, was desperate for an abortion, fearing the disappointment of her parents and the humiliation she might face.

While frantically searching the telephone book one day, she came across the Bowie Crofton Pregnancy Center and Medical Clinic, a church-financed organization that provides counseling and education about sexual abstinence. The receptionist told Ms. Brown that the clinic did not perform abortions or make referrals but that she could come in for an ultrasound to make sure her six-and-a-half-week pregnancy was viable. When she did, everything changed.

"When I had the sonogram and heard the heartbeat - and for me a heartbeat symbolizes life - after that there was no way I could do it," Ms. Brown said recently as she revisited the clinic and watched her daughter, Elora, now 9 months old, play at her feet.

In the battle over abortion, opponents say they have discovered a powerful new tool: sonograms. And over the last 18 months, they have started major fund-raising campaigns to outfit Christian crisis pregnancy centers with ultrasound equipment.

The groups, including the Southern Baptist Convention and the evangelical organization Focus on the Family, have spent $20,000 to $30,000 apiece on ultrasound machines, and some of the clinics are vying for more expensive state-of-the art machines that show the fetus in three dimensions. Focus on the Family has budgeted $4.2 million in the current fiscal year for the machines and on training on how to use them.

The Bowie clinic, which bought its machine itself, has been a pioneer for such groups. The fund-raising is a sign of how the opponents of abortion are dividing their efforts - seeking to chip away at abortion through legislation but also waging a battle for women's hearts. And it comes at a time when leaders of both major political parties are talking about making abortion rare.

President Bush said in a recent interview that he considered it his duty to help people "understand there are alternatives to abortion, like adoption." And Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, Democrat of New York, recently affirmed her support of abortion rights but said that the opposing sides should find "common ground" to reduce abortion by preventing unwanted pregnancies though sexual education and abstinence counseling.

Places like the Bowie center are a front line in the struggle over abortion, and the clinic reported to the police that on the eve of the anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision last month, its windows were smashed and it was spray painted with graffiti saying "Choice."

Such centers, many financed by churches and church groups, try to persuade women through counseling to carry their pregnancies to term, and often provide prenatal care and pregnancy tests and sometimes clothing and supplies.

Supporters of abortion rights say that a large number of the centers lure women by leaving the impression that they do, in fact, perform abortions and subsequently do not give young women a full picture of their choices.

"Generally, their treatment of women who come in is coercive," said Susanne Martinez, vice president of public policy at the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. "From the time they walk in to these centers, they are inundated with information that is propaganda and that has one goal in mind. And that is to have women continue with their pregnancies."

Most centers still do not have ultrasound machines. But at those that do, the results of performing sonograms have been startling, abortion opponents say. A survey by the Heidi Group, a Christian evangelical nonprofit organization that advises such centers on fund-raising and administration, found that those using counseling alone reported persuading 70 percent of women considering abortion to abandon the idea. In centers with ultrasound machines, that number jumped to 90 percent, said Carol Everett, the group's chief executive. Such statistics could not be independently verified.


9 posted on 02/05/2005 7:47:19 PM PST by xjcsa (Everything matters if anything matters at all...)
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To: Dustin Hawkins

Twenty years ago my wife's still shot picture of our son looked more like weather radar than anything else. Looked like a hurricane then, acted like a hurricane later. PP probably weren't as threatened by those as they are the 3-D shots of today. They are simply amazing.


10 posted on 02/05/2005 7:56:43 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: walden
Actual title of article is "Church Groups Turn to Sonogram to Turn Women From Abortions". For a whole lot of reasons, it's important to use the real title, so please do so in the future. Thanks!

It's called "getting to the point." Since the portion I was quoting didn't really have much to do with the original title of the article... ah, nevermind.
11 posted on 02/05/2005 7:56:47 PM PST by Dustin Hawkins (Friends Dont let Friends Date Democrats www.dustinmhawkins.com)
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"Most centers still do not have ultrasound machines. But at those that do, the results of performing sonograms have been startling, abortion opponents say. A survey by the Heidi Group, a Christian evangelical nonprofit organization that advises such centers on fund-raising and administration, found that those using counseling alone reported persuading 70 percent of women considering abortion to abandon the idea. In centers with ultrasound machines, that number jumped to 90 percent, said Carol Everett, the group's chief executive. Such statistics could not be independently verified."


12 posted on 02/05/2005 7:57:45 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: Dustin Hawkins
Yeah, when I think about it, they have bowls full of condoms at the front desk at Planned Parenthood.

I suppose if that always worked as a birth control strategy, then no one would ever need an abortion.

Hmmm.... Maybe the Catholic Church is onto something, telling people it's dangerous to rely on condoms to prevent AIDS.

13 posted on 02/05/2005 7:57:53 PM PST by Fido969
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Sorry PP wasn't...


14 posted on 02/05/2005 7:58:30 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter
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To: Dustin Hawkins
Planned Abortionhood

Another good re-name I've heard is "Planned Barrenhood."

15 posted on 02/05/2005 8:03:24 PM PST by Charles Henrickson (They complain about "propaganda." That's rich!)
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To: Charles Henrickson

Or UNplanned Parenthood.


16 posted on 02/05/2005 8:41:34 PM PST by floridavoter2
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"From the time they walk in to these centers, they are inundated with information that is propaganda and that has one goal in mind. And that is to have women continue with their pregnancies."

And that's a bad thing...???


17 posted on 02/05/2005 8:42:55 PM PST by floridavoter2
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To: xjcsa
Places like the Bowie center are a front line in the struggle over abortion, and the clinic reported to the police that on the eve of the anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision last month, its windows were smashed and it was spray painted with graffiti saying "Choice."

I saw a DC area broadcast a few weeks ago, in which Will Thomas of Fox 5 reported on the Bowie center incident. (Believe it or not, the MSM really did cover this news.) The Fox broadcast showed that some of the graffiti read "WOMYN HATERS."

Any guesses as to why the NY Times has chosen to report on the graffiti reading "Choice," while conveniently ignoring the graffiti reading "WOMYN HATERS?"
18 posted on 02/05/2005 9:04:29 PM PST by cockroach_magoo
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To: floridavoter2

My though exactly. These Planned Parenthood thugs are like the foetus mafia. I swear sometimes it's as if though they WANT to kill babies to get off on it or something.


19 posted on 02/05/2005 9:07:59 PM PST by Trippin
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921369/posts
Bringing Good Things to Life (ULTRASOUND)
Citizen magazine ^ | June 2003 | Karla Dial
This the Stealth Bomber that is going to zoom in under the pro-death crowd's radar and nuke them... once a woman sees what is really in her womb, it ceases to be a "tissue mass" and becomes... a baby.
 Her baby.

20 posted on 02/05/2005 11:31:22 PM PST by backhoe (-30-)
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