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Man Fined For Egg McMuffin Assault
WFTV ^ | 2/5/05

Posted on 02/05/2005 7:02:06 PM PST by KidGlock

Man Fined For Egg McMuffin Assault

Customer Convicted For Throwing Breakfast Sandwich

POSTED: 2:13 pm EST February 5, 2005

HOLLAND, Mich. -- A man has been convicted of assault and battery for throwing a breakfast sandwich at a McDonald's restaurant manager.

Authorities said the man and his young son stopped one day in October to get four Egg McMuffins at a McDonald's in Michigan.

He returned to the service window to complain when he realized at least one of the sandwiches had sausage instead of ham.

He threw it at the shift manager when she asked him to give it back.

The customer has been fined $600 and put on probation.

He is also banned from entering the McDonald's restaurant.


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To: fhayek
Apples and oranges. The problem in your scenario is the speed DIFFERENTIAL.

The 4000 pound car@ 80 mph is not going to be able to alter the speed of the 10K ton ferry@ 4 mph, even if it hits a reinforced bulkhead.

The crux of the biscuit here is the speed DIFFERENTIAL.

It's no different from passing a soda to your buddy walking beside you. You're all (the bottle, you, and your buddy) travelling at slightly different speeds, but the difference is VERY small.

41 posted on 02/05/2005 8:52:55 PM PST by Don W (The most inhospitable places for free inquiry today are the universities.)
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To: Indie

The employees at Burger King and Wendy's have almost always been very courteous, in my experience. As for Micky D's, I don't eat there unless I have to (traveling or whatever).


42 posted on 02/05/2005 8:55:29 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: lmr
It is very efficient, gets you your order in under 60 seconds, but it is not infallible.

60 seconds? When's the last time you ate at McDonald's?

43 posted on 02/05/2005 8:55:36 PM PST by connectthedots
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To: Don W

I *should* have used the modifier "significantly" re: the ferry vs the car.


44 posted on 02/05/2005 8:56:51 PM PST by Don W (The most inhospitable places for free inquiry today are the universities.)
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"Isn't this impossible based on the laws of physics?

I mean, if Burt Reynolds was going 80mph and the tractor trailer was going 80mph, and Burt Reynolds drives up that ramp, isn't he then going 160mph? Wouldn't his car suddenly accelerate as soon as it hit the ramp and smash through the front of the truck and into the cab? After all, wouldn't Burt Reynolds at that time be traveling 80mph FASTER than the speed of the truck? I mean, in the movie, it shows Burt just going up the ramp and nonchalantly hitting the brakes and stopping inside the truck. Wouldn't that be impossible?

Anyway, getting back to the Egg McMuffin. Does it really matter if there is Canadian bacon or sausage in it?"

LOL! Sam, how in the world did a man tossing an EggMcMuffin make you think of this question?
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" SamAdams76 wrote:
The customer sounds like a jerk and he deserves what he gets.
But this reminds me of something that's been bothering me for quite some time, I was watching some "Smokey And The Bandit" type movie a few years back and this car (probably driven by Burt Reynolds) is going about 80mph down the highway and he is trying to get away from the cops. He pulls behind a tractor trailer truck that is also going about 80mph and it drops down a ramp. Then Burt Reynolds just drives up the ramp and into the truck after which time somebody inside pulls up the ramp and closed the back cover.

Isn't this impossible based on the laws of physics?

I mean, if Burt Reynolds was going 80mph and the tractor trailer was going 80mph, and Burt Reynolds drives up that ramp, isn't he then going 160mph? Wouldn't his car suddenly accelerate as soon as it hit the ramp and smash through the front of the truck and into the cab? After all, wouldn't Burt Reynolds at that time be traveling 80mph FASTER than the speed of the truck? I mean, in the movie, it shows Burt just going up the ramp and nonchalantly hitting the brakes and stopping inside the truck. Wouldn't that be impossible?

Anyway, getting back to the Egg McMuffin. Does it really matter if there is Canadian bacon or sausage in it?"

LOL! Sam, how in the world did a man tossing an EggMcMuffin make you think of this? LOL!


45 posted on 02/05/2005 8:57:40 PM PST by rawhide
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To: Ciexyz

Wendy's has always been friendly..but I always eat at Whataburger..none better IMO. :)) Perhaps it's because it orginated in TX in 1950 in Corpus Christi and I'm a native Texan..:)


46 posted on 02/05/2005 8:57:54 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: KidGlock

What a dimwit.

Poor kid...


47 posted on 02/05/2005 8:59:40 PM PST by k2blader (It is neither compassionate nor conservative to support the expansion of socialism.)
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To: SamAdams76

Sam I have no idea what happened to my previous post? This is all I was asking you:

"LOL! Sam, how in the world did a man tossing an EggMcMuffin make you think of this? LOL!"


48 posted on 02/05/2005 9:01:24 PM PST by rawhide
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To: SamAdams76
OK, then what about this...

Answer this one: You become abusive and throw an Egg McMuffin sandwich at Jelly Bryce who pulls and shoots you right between the eyes. Which will hit the floor first? Your head or the Egg McMuffin? Seriously, answer the question.

49 posted on 02/05/2005 9:01:48 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: SamAdams76

Easy. Relative to Manny, Randy pitches at 95 mph. But, to an observer on the side of the road, Randy's pitch travels at just 35 mph. After Manny passes Randy, assuming he slows down to the same speed as Randy, the pitches still arrive at 95 mph. However, to the observer on the side of the road, Randy's pitch now travels at 155 mph when Manny hits the home run!


50 posted on 02/05/2005 9:03:19 PM PST by balls
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To: KidGlock

Oh, and he made the Guiness Book of World Records.


51 posted on 02/05/2005 9:03:55 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: KidGlock

Guiness record for the highest price paid for an Egg McMuffin. The record should stand for many, many years.


52 posted on 02/05/2005 9:05:18 PM PST by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Indie

I always respected Dave Thomas for his pro-adoption stance. When they sold his autobiography in paperback at Wendy's stores, in early 90's, I remember buying a copy and I thoroughly enjoyed his optimistic, can-do philosophy.


53 posted on 02/05/2005 9:16:35 PM PST by Ciexyz (I use the term Blue Cities, not Blue States. PA is red except for Philly, Pgh & Erie)
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To: Indie

Yea, when are you guys gonna get a Whattaburger up here to Michigan? I bet the first franchise will be a gold mine.


54 posted on 02/05/2005 9:26:54 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: Larry Lucido
Yea, when are you guys gonna get a Whattaburger up here to Michigan?

From the looks of the map, you'll get one when MI votes Republican. ;)

56 posted on 02/05/2005 9:34:42 PM PST by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: Indie
That would be about the time this happens.

Which, actually, is right about now.

57 posted on 02/05/2005 10:09:46 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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Sweeeeeet!


58 posted on 02/05/2005 11:38:04 PM PST by spectr17 (Veni, Vedi, Velcro. I came, I saw, I stuck around)
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To: balls
However, if Burt is doing 81 mph and goes up the ramp, he will be doing 161 mph for a very brief period!

No he won't.

59 posted on 02/05/2005 11:43:24 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: SamAdams76; Hebrews 11:6; balls; rawhide; PatrickHenry; Physicist; fhayek; Don W; lmr; ...
But this reminds me of something that's been bothering me for quite some time, I was watching some "Smokey And The Bandit" type movie a few years back and this car (probably driven by Burt Reynolds) is going about 80mph down the highway and he is trying to get away from the cops. He pulls behind a tractor trailer truck that is also going about 80mph and it drops down a ramp. Then Burt Reynolds just drives up the ramp and into the truck after which time somebody inside pulls up the ramp and closed the back cover.

Okay, I'm *still* trying to figure out how someone throwing an Egg McMuffin at a store manager can "remind you of something" like whether a car can be driven up into a moving truck...

But to answer your question:

Isn't this impossible based on the laws of physics?

Nope. It's not.

I mean, if Burt Reynolds was going 80mph and the tractor trailer was going 80mph, and Burt Reynolds drives up that ramp, isn't he then going 160mph?

No, he's still going 80-ish relative to the ground, and barely moving relative to the *truck* -- just as he was the moment before he hit the ramp.

Wouldn't his car suddenly accelerate as soon as it hit the ramp and smash through the front of the truck and into the cab?

If you mean because somehow there's a "combined speed" of 160, no -- just because both the car and truck are moving at 80-ish, that doesn't mean that it's somehow correct to add their velocities and get 160.

If instead you mean that since Burt has the accelerator pushed down pretty hard to maintain his speed of 80 as he's cruising along the highway, won't that cause the car to accelerate pretty hard as soon as he's on the ramp (since even leaving aside the highway stunt, having the gas pushed down that far even on a motionless ramp attached to a motionless truck should cause you to accelerate up the ramp and through the truck until the dead-end stops you)? Yeah, but hopefully he's not a complete idiot and lets up on the gas once he's on the ramp. Nor would it happen instantaneously -- the moment his back wheels rolled onto the ramp, he's effectively *stopped* on the ramp (or at most going the 1-3mph by which he was overtaking the truck's speed by in order to catch it), and at that point he's starting from "scratch", acceleration-wise. Furthermore, probably the best way to do this is to get 4-5mph over the truck's speed as you approach it, then *let off* the gas just as you're a few feet from the ramp. Even though your car will begin to slow down immediately, you'll still have a few seconds to hit and roll onto the ramp before your car slows down too much to "catch" the truck. And at that point you'll be on the ramp without your gas pedal pushed dangerously far down. Finally, odds are good your engine will *stall* the moment you get on the ramp anyway, because hitting the motionless ramp will cause your back tires (presuming a rear-wheel drive car) to "chirp" to a stop (relative to the ramp and the car they're attached to), which will be like slamming on your brakes and locking up the wheels while blasting along at 80, as far as your engine is concerned.

And if you think your tires spinning at 80mph would instantly launch the car forward at +80mph relative to the ramp as soon as the car hit the ramp, think again. As someone else pointed out with the airplane-landing comparison, the mass of the vehicle is a far greater consideration than the mass of the spinning tires. Their spin doesn't have enough momentum to "catapult" the car forward much. Let's see... estimating twenty pounds each for the tires and rims, and 4000 pounds for the car itself, that means that at most the momentum of the spinning tires transferred entirely to the car itself (and actually a lot will be lost as heat with friction on the ramp as they and "chirp") will only cause the car to lurch forward by an additional 2mph or so, meaning that the car may end up rolling into the truck at 2mph plus whatever speed differential the car had in order to catch up to the truck (say 1-3mph), minus the amount of momentum lost by rolling *up* the ramp (too lazy to calculate it, and it depends on the height of the truck bed).

So a light tap on the brake would be more than enough to come to a gentle stop inside the truck at the end of the maneuver.

(Trivia sidebar: When you're cruising down the highway at 80mph, the tread which is on the bottom side of each tire at any given moment is *motionless* (going zero mph), while the tread on the topmost side of each tire is flying forward (in the direction of the car's travel) at 160mph... And several times a second they trade places/speeds.)

After all, wouldn't Burt Reynolds at that time be traveling 80mph FASTER than the speed of the truck?

Nope.

I mean, in the movie, it shows Burt just going up the ramp and nonchalantly hitting the brakes and stopping inside the truck. Wouldn't that be impossible?

No, that's pretty much how it would happen, unless you made the mistake of starting out a *lot* faster than the truck itself, like going 120mph into a truck going 80mph.

This reminds me of the time that either Ann Landers or Dear Abby (I forget which "advice column" it was) had someone write in with the question, "If you are in a falling elevator, can you survive the impact by jumping just before the elevator hits the ground?"

I forget what the columnist's initial answer was (I think it was "Sounds right to me"), but readers began to write in arguing the question pro and con for *months*. IIRC, "yeah, that'll work" was in the lead, but readers were split mostly 50/50, which makes me fear for the quality of science education in this country.

The correct answer, by the way, is "no freaking way", not even if somehow you could anticipate the exact moment of the impending crash, and your jump timing was impeccable.

60 posted on 02/06/2005 12:52:25 AM PST by Ichneumon
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